美国媒体带节奏,中国6架运-20“半秘密”地飞往塞尔维亚交付导弹?评论大翻车:反华的新闻留给了实习生处理?

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美国媒体带节奏,中国6架运-20“半秘密”地飞往塞尔维亚交付导弹?评论大翻车:反华的新闻留给了实习生处理? 世界看中国-第1张

China makes semi-secret delivery of missiles to Serbia
中国半秘密地向塞尔维亚交付导弹

评论内容:

clogandento3

I’m guessing with the word”semi-secret”they also wanted it to be”semi-known”.
我猜,”半秘密”这个词也意味着他们希望这是”半公开”的。

Bison256

The writer wanted it to sound nefarious.It would have been more honest to use”discreet.”
作者想让这件事听起来很阴险。使用”谨慎”这个词会更诚实。

carefree12

He just wanted to make a clickbait title.
他只是想整一个点击率高的标题。

9InchRails

The perrson who writes an article rarely chooses the headline-the editor makes that decision.
写文章的人很少选择标题,而是由编辑来决定。

mifacebg21

Nah.The US government has budgeted 500 million dollars to negative news coverage of China.
This is just setting the stage to get into this pot of money.
没那么简单,美国政府投入了5亿美元预算用于对中国的负面新闻报道。
这只种新闻不过是为了分一杯羹罢了。

A_Strange_Old Man

I think that”discreet”sounds way more nefarious than”semi-secret”.
我认为,”谨慎“听起来比”半秘密”更邪恶。

UnmeiX

But not as nefarious as”surreptitious”.:D
但没有”偷偷摸摸“那么邪恶。:D

Graega

I like”clandestine”myself.
我喜欢“秘密行动”这个词

Ginrou

Although a fantastic word choice,this is above the third grade reading level and therefore unfit for the average America n news consumer.
虽然这是一个奇妙的选词,但这超过了三年级的阅读水平,因此不适合普通的美国新闻消费者。

Ogediah

If I remember correctly,they did some weird stuff with their transponders and watch groups caught it.I’m assuming that’s why it’s considered”semi-secret.”
如果我没记错的话,他们在转发器上做了一些奇怪的事情,而观察小组抓住了这一点。我想这就是为什么它被认为是”半秘密”

An_Awesome_Name

Yeah their transports were caught with their transponders broadcasting near Turkish airspace.
Whether that was intentional to make it”semi-known”or the pilots just fucked up we will probably never know.
是的,他们的运输机在土耳其领空附近被抓到应答器正在广播。
这到底是他们故意让它”半公开”的,还是飞行员只是搞砸了,我们可能永远不会知道。

Distant_Stranger

China pegged pretty hard for Russian restraint and the limited scope of the the invasion in the early days of the war whi le stumping for sovereignty with no equivocation in the week before hostilities launched.I think they are finding themselves caught in the middle of this one and I don’t think they appreciate it.You may also recall two weeks in how they tried to assert they could put an end to the matter diplomatically.
They need Russia,and not as a toothless vassal state,because they have universally poor relations with everyone else inthe region otherwise it is them against the globe and they aren’t ready for that.They need the west just as badly.Worse,if this turns into a world war they know exactly how that scenario plays out It could very well see everyone lose,but there is no scenario in which they and Russia win.
Its a guess,but I feel confident this was intentional.
中国在战争初期对俄罗斯的克制和有限的入侵范围给予了相当大的支持,而在敌对行动开始前的一周,则毫不含糊地支持国家主权。我认为他们发现自己被夹在了中间,而且我认为他们并不满意这一点。你可能还记得两周前他们是如何试图断言他们可以通过外交途径结束此事的。
他们需要俄罗斯,但不是作为一个没有牙齿的附庸国,因为他们与该地区其他所有人的关系普遍不好,没有俄罗斯吸引火力就变成了他们与全球对抗,他们还没有准备好。与此同时他们需要西方的帮助。更糟糕的是,如果这变成了一场世界大战,他们很清楚结果会如何。每个人都会输,他们和俄罗斯也不可能赢。
这只是一种猜测,但我相信这(泄露行踪)是故意的。

Into-the-stream

If I,a middle aged person living in small town canada with no government connections(I met ourtowns mayor oncel)has li eard of it,then it is decidedly not even a little bit secret.
如果我,一个生活在加拿大小镇的中年人,没有任何的政府关系(我只见过我们的镇长一次!)都听说了它,那么它显然不是什么秘密。

edstirling

I think semi secret means there’s milk in it?
我认为说成是半秘密的意思是里面有猫腻?

monk37

This is what they want you to know about.All the worlds a stage.
这就是他们想让你知道的事情。世界就是一个舞台。

Darth_Balthazar

I think its more like its almost impossible to get into serbia without going through or over a nato country
我认为它更像是几乎不可能进入塞尔维亚而不经过或越过北约国家。

privilegedfart69

The title should just be:”Serbia bought missiles from China”
标题应该只是:”塞尔维亚从中国购买导弹”。

Shjfty

Not very secret if im reading about it on reddit
如果我在reddit上看到这个消息,那么这就不是很秘密了

violentsushi

If you only semi-read about it it’s still semi-secret.
如果你只读一半,那么它仍然是半秘密的。

TwoBearsInThe Woods

Admit it,neither of you read the article anyway.
承认吧,其实你们压根都没读过这篇文章。

Arijani01

What is up with these click bait-ish article titles?
It’s a delivery of a missile system from China to Serbia that was contracted and paid for back in 2019.
Serbia also bought a bunch of French Rafal Fighter Jets and Turkish Bayraktar TB2 drones,but you don’t see flashy newst itles about it.
What’s semi-secret about delivering an order?Where they supposed to send it through Amazon or what?
这种标题党的标题是怎么回事?
这是中国向塞尔维亚交付早在2019年就已经签约并付款的导弹系统。
塞尔维亚还买了一批法国的阵风战斗机和土耳其的贝拉克塔尔TB2无人机,但你没有看到关于它的这种哗众取宠的新闻标题。
交付订单有什么半隐秘的?他们应该通过亚马逊发送吗?

Puggymon

Well,maybe they are prime members,so it’s quite suspicious the order took nearly three years?
好吧,也许他们是黄金会员,所以这个订单花了近三年时间很可疑?

Cookie_Eaterio8

I found it further odd that the article states that the delivery using Y-20s was a show of force.
Can anyone explain to me how a fleet of cargo aireraft landing at an airport is a show of force?
我觉得更奇怪的是,这篇文章指出使用Y-20进行交付是为了展示武力。
谁能向我解释一下在机场降落的货机机队如何展示武力?

Arijani01

Well,I also don’t see it,but there are some fellows here in the comments who fully comprehend the historic significance of this piece of news,maybe they can explain how delivering a shipment via plane is seen as a show of force.
好吧,我也没看出来,但这里的评论里有一些政治研究员完全理解了这条新闻的历史意义,也许他们可以解释一下,通过飞机,运送货物怎么会被看作是一种武力的展示。

AutoRot

It shows they can redeploy a missile battery on the other side of the continent without being dependent on shipping lanes or foreign trains.
It’s a step towards power projection.It’s not on the scale of the US with bases and carriers around the world,but it shows the ability to get around blockades.
这表明他们可以在不依赖航道或外国火车的情况下,在大陆的另一边重新部署一个导弹连。
这是向力量投射迈出的一步。它不像美国那样在世界各地有基地和航母,但它显示了绕过封锁的能力。

ResidentBackground35

but it shows the ability to get around blockades.
I mean it’s not that hard when no one is trying to stop you
“但它显示了绕过封锁的能力。
我的意思是,当没有人试图阻止你时,这并不难。

ThatGuyUrFriendKnows

It’s literally a plane.Everyone has those.
这字面上就是一些飞机嘛,每个人都有啊

AverageCowboyCentaur

I don’t have a plane,just a stupid car with stupid wheels that drives on the stupid ground
我没有飞机,只有一辆愚蠢的汽车,愚蠢的轮子在愚蠢的地面上行驶。

metalconscxt

It is trying to show global power projection through organic strategic airlift.We as as potent as we are because we can deliver a brigade of strykers in 36 hours.That may seem inconsequential to those will little understanding of logistics b ut that includes sustainment items,ammo,food,fuel.
它正试图通过有机的战略空运来展示在全球内进行力量投射的能力。我们之所以如此强大,是因为我们可以在36小时内运送一个旅的战略轰炸机。这对于那些对后勤知之甚少的人来说可能显得无关紧要,但这包括维持性项目、弹药、食物、燃料。

novag001

Its AP,I bet they are paid by the US government to push out propaganda.”Semi secret”delivery when all the details are in the article.Really wtf moment.
6 cargo planes are a show of force……
是美联社的新闻,我打赌他们是被美国政府收买来进行宣传的。当所有的细节都在文章中时,还说是“半秘密“交付。真的很无语了。
6架货机是一种力量的展示

chrismwang

China bad and scary.
中国威胁论呗

N8CCRG

I mean it’s a little more interesting than just that though.
“The Y-20s’appearance raised eyebrows because they flew en masse as opposed to a series of single-aireraft flights,”
Furthermore,while they were agreed upon in 2019(three years ago),in 2020 they were told”Yeah if you want to be part o fEU and Western systems,bail on that deal.”Then nothing happened until this week.So this is politically eyebrow raising,and isn’t quite as much of a political nothingburger as you’re trying to sell it as.
这件事比你想的更有深意一点。
“Y-20飞机的出现引起了人们的注意,因为他们是集体飞行,而不是一系列的单机飞行。”
此外,虽然他们在2019年(三年前)达成了协议,但在2020年,他们(塞尔维亚)被告知”是的,如果你想成为欧盟和西方体系的一部分,就放弃这个交易”。然后直到本周(塞尔维亚)都没有做任何事情。因此,这在政治上是令人膛目的,并不像你试图推销的那样是一个政治上的无意义之举。

Borne2Run

More that Serbia is concerned now that Bosnia and Kosovo are openly talking about NATO accession.Serbia’s biggest ally Russia)has shown they can no longer project force in the Balkans.Serbia now needs a deterrent from another backer(PRC).
更多的是塞尔维亚担心现在波斯尼亚和科索沃公开谈论加入北约的问题。塞尔维亚最大的盟友(俄罗斯)已经表明他们不能再在巴尔干地区投射武力。塞尔维亚现在需要另一个支持者(中国)的威慑。

HumanSpecimen OnEarth

Bro,what drugs are you on?Kosovo isn’t entering NATO any time soon due to its disputed status.And Russia’s not our all y.We’re literally a neutral nation.Get your news from places other than Reddit.
兄弟,你吃错了什么药?由于其有争议的地位,科索沃不会很快进入北约。俄罗斯也不是我们的盟友。我们实际上是一个中立国家。请从Reddit以外的地方获取你的新闻谢谢。

BornezRun

lix:
Three days after Russia invaded Ukraine,Kosovo requested accelerated mem bership in NATO and demanded a permanent US tary base on its territory.
Serbia receives very public Russian armaments backing in terms of weaponry and resources.Still they play off both Russiaand the EU.Kosovo are certainly not entering NATO soon,but the invasion gives them a stronger impetus to work towards i teventually.
链接:
“俄罗斯入侵乌克兰三天后,科索沃要求加速加入北约,并要求在其境内建立永久性的美国军事基地。
塞尔维亚在武器装备和资源方面得到俄罗斯非常公开的军备支持。但他们仍然在玩弄俄罗斯和欧盟。科索沃肯定不会很快进入北约,但入侵给了他们更强的动力,最终要为之努力。

HumanSpecimenOnEarth

Serbia receives very public Russian armaments backing in terms of weaponry and resources And?We get political support from Moscow and accession money from the EU.We get a ton of stuff from both sides.There’s nothing wrong with that.
“塞尔维亚在武器装备和资源方面得到俄罗斯非常公开的军备支持”
还有呢?我们得到了莫斯科的政治支持和欧盟的入盟资金。我们从双方都得到了大量的东西。这没有什么不对。

sndream

Turkey who is part of Nato,brought S400 from Russia and refuse to give it up.While will Serbia do so when it’s just an possibility.
土耳其还是北约的一部分呢,都从俄罗斯买来了S400并拒绝放弃它。而塞尔维亚会这样做有什么奇怪的。

Arijan101

So this is politically eyebrow raising,and isn’t quite as much of a political nothingburger as you’re trying to sell it as.
It isn’t that big of a deal as the media is portraying it to be neither.And if it weren’t for the timing I doubt this in formation in on itself would raise any major attention.
That’s all I’m saying.
“因此,这在政治上是令人膛目的,并不像你试图推销的那样是一个政治上的无意义之举。”
就算是这样,这也不是媒体所描述的那么大的事情。如果不是因为时间问题,我怀疑这一信息本身会引起任何重大关注。
这就是我想说的。

N8CCRG

It’s certainly a bigger deal than you were painting it out to be.And your”Just Asking a Question”was literally answere d with that quote in the beginning of the article.
这件事当然比你所描述的要重大。而你的疑问在文章开头的那句话中已经得到了回答。

DawnCrusader4213

What’s semi-secret about delivering an order?Where they supposed to send it through Amazon or what?
Ironically,Amazon isn’t operating in Serbia
“交付订单有什么半隐秘的?难道他们应该通过亚马逊发送订单吗?”
讽刺的是,亚马逊并没有在塞尔维亚运营

Arijan101

Haha,true,true.
I hope Jeff see this thread
哈哈,是的是的。
我希望杰夫能看到这个帖子。

NobilliumOne

Source on that order of Rafale AND Bayraktar?
请给出我们要购买阵风和贝拉克塔尔的信息来源?

Arijan101

NobilliumOne First sentences of articles:Serbia is interested in buying..AND Serbia is considering a purchase…
Just checking,because I am interested in buying a Ferrari and considering a new house,but not sure it will happen so so on.
文章的第一句话:塞尔维亚有兴趣购买和塞尔维亚正在考虑购买.
因为我对购买法拉利感兴趣,并考虑购买新房子,但不确定会不会这么快发生。

Laziik

The bayraktar was confirmed by Vucic and Erdogan today,the Rafale will 99%be bought,there are no alternatives to it,w e cant buy russian planes as they cant be delivered nor maintaned,we cant buy the Gripen because Sweden wont respond to emails(true story Imao,they didnt reply to the email and lost the tender)we cant buy the F16’s or F35’s because the US w ont sell them,the only alternative is the Rafale,noone else is making planes,letalone good ones,Eurofighter is good b ut its 3x as expensive,we dont have that kind of money(Buying 12)
今天,武契奇和埃尔多安确认了贝拉克塔尔的订单,”阵风”99%会被购买,没有替代品,我们不能购买俄罗斯的飞机,因为它们无法交付也无法维护,我们不能购买”鹰狮”,因为瑞典不回复电子邮件(真实的故事,笑,他们没有回复电子邮件,并丢掉了投标书)。我们不能买F16或F35,因为美国不卖,唯一的选择是阵风,除此之外没有人在制造飞机了,更不用说好的飞机,欧洲战斗机是好的,但它的价格是3倍,我们没有那么多钱(购买12架)。

Immortal385

How do you know all that?Not arguing,admiring.
你是怎么知道这些东西的?不是想争论,只是很佩服。

Laziik

The purchase of the drones was announced on national television(RTSi).
The Gripen situation was funny and it was in the news.
As for the F16 and F35 as far as i know(a bit of inside knowledge)the US is hesitant to sell them to us seeing us as mo re eastern than western aligned.
As for the Eurofighter well,its more expensive then the F35,there is no point in buying it,whilst it is a great plane we arent nowhere near a”global power”to justify the procurement of said planes,we need planes to police our air and Eurofighters are just overkill for that,too expensive for us and a logistical nightmare seeing as how the plane uses parts from all over Europe,Italy,France,Germany,Spain,etc.all you need is one country refusing to give you parts and the pl anes can be scrapped and thrown away into a ditch.
国家电视台(RTS1)宣布了购买无人机的消息。
鹰狮的情况很有趣,它出现在新闻中。
至于F16和F35,据我所知(一点点内部知识),美国对出售给我们犹豫不决,认为我们更多倾向东方而不是西方的阵营。至于欧洲战斗机,它比F35更昂贵,购买它没有任何意义,虽然它是一架伟大的飞机,但我们还不是一个”全球大国”,没有理由采购上述飞机,我们需要飞机来监视我们的空气,而欧洲战斗机的机能大于我们的需求,对我们来说也太昂贵了,而且是一个物流噩梦,因为飞机使用的零件来自欧洲各地,意大利、法国、德国、西班牙等。只要有一个国家拒绝给你提供零件,这些飞机就可以报废并被扔进沟里了。

gearhead488

In they Balkans they get jealous of other countries having wars when they aren’t having a war so they have to start their own.
在巴尔干地区,当他们没有发生战争时,他们会嫉妒其他国家发生战争,所以他们必须发动自己的战争。
(对巴尔干作为碎片化的代名词的一种调侃)

meat_popscile

Serb here,yeah it’s been a while since we started world war.
我是塞尔维亚人,是的,自从我们开启世界战争以来,已经有一段时间了。

informativebitching

Well wWIII is having trouble getting started so if you have an Archduke you’re willing to sacrifice or something that wo uld probably work.
第三次世界大战很难开启,除非如果你有一个你愿意牺牲的大公或其他东西,可能会有效果。

gearhead488

I have no idea who has been right or wrong in any of the wars there but they sure seem to love fighting
我不知道在那里的任何战争中谁是对的或错的,但他们似乎肯定喜欢战斗。

Lillslim_the_second

Yeah….No one wants war here aga in besides the fuck in nationalists.I do not wan’t to see more people with their hands and feet cut off being dugged out of a massgrave
是啊…没有人希望这里再发生战争,除了那些该死的民族主义者。我不希望看到更多的人被砍掉手脚,从乱葬岗里挖出来。

gearhead488

I hope the good people there get out and vote beeause populism seems to be on the rise everywhere even here in Canada whe re lots of us thought we were immune to such things.
我希望那里的好人能够站出来投票,因为民粹主义似乎在各地抬头,甚至在加拿大,我们很多人以为我们对这种事情是免疫的

OnitsukaTigerOGNike

It’s”semi-secret”because they didnt call NATO and inform them about the delivery,they found out about it from China’s social media post captioned:”feeling cute,might stop by Belgrade to deliver some missiles later idk lol”#Y-20#Serbian trip#Chineseweapons
这是”半秘密”的,因为他们没有打电话给北约并通知他们关于交付的事情,他们是从中国的社交媒体帖子中发现的,标题是:”感觉很可爱,可能会在贝尔格莱德停留,交付一些导弹,哈哈哈”#Y-20#Serbiantrip#Chineseweapons

BruceAENZ

If Semi-Secret is turning on every transponder they have and filing flight plans for their giant aireraft,what’s comple tely non-secret?Painting the giant planes with glowing paint salvaged from Chernobyl by Putin’s forces?
如果半秘密是打开他们拥有的每一个应答器并为他们的巨型飞机提交飞行计划,那么什么是完全非机密的?用普京的部队从切尔诺贝利打捞出来的发光涂料涂抹这些大飞机?

aleksdzek

What the hell are this idiotic comments.
This is a purchase from 2019.
Russia and China share a 4k border,you really think Serbia is needed for this?
It was so secret that landed on our national airport and you could track it on flightradar24.
We bought this from China,because NATO told us not to buts-4oos from Russia Do some f.ng research.Jesus Christ.
这是什么白痴评论。
1这是从2019年开始购买的。
2俄罗斯和中国有4000公里的边界,你真的认为塞尔维亚需要这个吗?
3它是如此秘密,以至于他们降落在我们的国家机场,你还可以在flightradar24上跟踪它。
我们从中国购买这个,因为北约告诉我们不要从俄罗斯购买s-400。
做一些该死的研究吧。我的天啊。

novago01

The detail are in the article itself.This is just blatant propaganda.Its getting worst and worst by the day.
“The Y-20s’appearance raised eyebrows because they flew en masse as opposed to a series of single-aireraft flights,”wrote The Warzone online magazine.”The Y-20’s presence in Europe in any numbers is also still a fairly new development.
This statement right here is pretty insane.They are supposed to fly one plane at a time.Its big news because all 6 carg o planes went on a trip together.Holy shit……
文章的细节是公然的宣传。现在舆论变得越来越槽糕了。
“Y-20的出现引起了人们的注意,因为他们是集体飞行,而不是一系列的单机飞行,”《战争地带》在线杂志写道。”运-20以某种数量出现在欧洲是一个相当新的发展。
这句话也是很让人无语了。照他们的意思中国只允许一次飞一架飞机不停往复运送。它们口中这之所以是大新闻是因为有6架货机一起飞过来了。我勒个去……

ShibuRigged

Clickbait,outrage,and shit”journalism”exploiting the current climate of Russia bad and anyone who aids them is also bad.
标题党、想激起愤怒,并利用现在“俄罗斯坏”的新闻气候来塑造援助他的人也是坏的的形象。

aleksdzek

And we don’t aid Russia,so,we are bad just because media tells you that we are bad.
而且我们压根就没有援助俄罗斯,所以,我们是坏的,只是因为媒体告诉你我们是坏的。

kapybarra

You are bad because you are somewhat of a show case for NATO hypocrisy when compared to the Russian war against Ukraine.(i.e.Kosovo vs Don bass)
你是坏的,因为在俄罗斯对乌克兰的战争中,你在某种程度上是揭露北约的虚伪的一个展示案例。(即科索沃VS顿巴斯)

DiscoTechnoSunshine

It is so refreshing to see someone on Reddit to point out the blind Russia hate,and for that comment to be upvoted.
The way Reddit is on this war reminds me of the lead up to the US 2003 invasion of Iraq,when patriotic assholes would ca Il you a traitor and tell you to”go back to Iraq”if you were against the war.
看到有人在Reddit上指出目前对俄罗斯的是盲目仇恨,而且这条评论还得到了不少赞,真是令人耳目一新。
Reddit对这场战争的态度让我想起了2003年美国入侵伊拉克的前奏,当时爱国的混蛋们会叫你叛徒,并告诉你如果你反战,你就”滚回伊拉克去”。

ShibuRigged

I know,right?Like,don’t get me wrong,I am not on board with Russia at all for this war.But when you have shit tierj ournalism that is taking advantage of that,because people get outraged by a bad headline and will never read the article,it’s always worth calling out.
Blind hatred helps nobody.
确实。不过不要误会我的意思,我根本就不支持俄罗斯的这场战争。但是,当一些下流的新闻媒体利用标题党去激发一些永远不会去读文章本身的人的盲目仇恨时,呼吁大家警醒是应该的。
盲目的仇恨对任何人都没有帮助。

OnitsukaTigerOGNike

Serbia:can we buy the s4oo from Russia?
US:sure,Ifyou like sanctionsSerbia:can we buy US weapons?
US:ewww no Serbia buys from China Western Media:”R ussia’s evil neigh bor seeretly buying evil weapons from our evil economic rival using big evil looking planes”
Oh sorry,I meant semi-evil.
塞尔维亚:我们可以从俄罗斯购买S400吗?
美国:当然,如果你喜欢制裁
塞尔维亚:我们可以购买美国的武器吗?
美国:呃,不行
塞尔维亚向中国购买
西方媒体:“俄罗斯的邪恶邻居用邪恶的大飞机从我们邪恶的经济对手那里秘密购买邪恶的武器”
哦,对不起,我的意思是“半邪恶”的。

nickstatus

That’s the APNews headline.I thought they had higher standards than that.
这是美联社的头条新闻。我以为他们的标准比这更高。

yellowteabag
i used to consider APnews as neutral while still being reliable.for whatever reason the ukraine war changed all that.
我曾经认为美联社是中立的,同时也是可靠的。不管什么原因,乌克兰战争改变了这一切。

iTroLowElo

Is AP resorting to clickbait titles now too?Isn’t this part of the shipment ordered 5 years ago?
美联社是在搞标题党吗?这不是5年前订购的货物的一部分吗?

novago01

Not just AP.Pretty much every Western media is doing the same thing when it comes to countries that aren’t pro West.
不仅仅是美联社。几乎所有西方媒体在涉及到不亲西方的国家时都在做同样的事情。

Joe-Burly

So secret,only Reddit could find out.
如此秘密,只有Reddit能发现。

AcguyDance

So this is technically a war between China and the US now?
所以从技术上讲,现在是中国和美国之间的战争?

novago01

“The Y-20s’appearance raised eyebrows because they flew en masse as opposed to a series of single-aircraft flights,”wrote The Warzone online magazine.
Can count on Western journalist to twist an open delivery to”semi secret”.There’s nothing secretive about this delivery The author of the article had all the details which he included in the article yet can come out with such an amazing tit le Serbian military analyst Aleksandar Radic said that”the Chinese carried out their demonstration of force.”
6 Cargo planes are a show of force.WTF are they smoking??
《战争地带》在线杂志写道:”Y-20飞机的出现引起了人们的注意,因为它们是集体飞行,而不是一系列的单机飞行。西方记者将公开的交付扭曲为”半秘密”真是完全在意料之内呢。这次运送没有任何秘密可言。文章的作者有把这些细节也写在了文章中,却能拿出这样一个标题党的标题。
塞尔维亚军事分析家亚历山大-拉迪奇说,”中国人进行了他们的武力展示”。
6架货机是一种武力的展示。他们在抽什么风?

Immortal385

Able to deliver armaments = show of force.
能够交付军备=展示武力。

Itabliss

How semi secret could it be if I’m reading about it from AP news?
如果我从美联社的新闻中读到它,它能有多秘密?

dubbleplusgood

Get started today disconnecting from everything”Made in China”so that it won’t be as hard a hit in a few years when the real sanctions will be needed.Anything less,and we’re doomed to repeat mistakes made with Russia.
今天就开始切断与”中国制造”的一切联系,以便在几年后需要进行真正的制裁时不会受到那么大的打击。如果不这样做,我们就注定要重复对俄罗斯犯下的错误。

drinkingchartreuse

Better start thinking of sanctions against China.
Any government that is saying they are okay with the atrocities and war crimes happening in Ukraine should be boycotted,sanctioned,shamed,and shunned.
最好开始考虑对中国进行制裁。
任何说他们对发生在乌克兰的暴行和战争罪行无所谓的政府都应该被抵制、被制裁、被羞辱、被无视。

rs-phx

That’s Serbia,not Siberia.I don’t think the Russian sanctions apply to Serbia.
那是塞尔维亚,不是西伯利亚。我认为俄罗斯的制裁不适用于塞尔维亚。

noteveryagain

Serbia is sympathetic to Russia.
塞尔维亚对俄罗斯持同情态度。

djb_avul

100%of serbs i know say ukraine is full of nazi’s and russia is correct in denazifying the country.
我认识的塞尔维亚人100%都说乌克兰到处都是纳粹,俄罗斯对这个国家的封锁是正确的。

Guyslm Confused

My dad is Serbian.We live in New Zealand.He watches Russia Today,every single morning.
Every single thing we ever talk about he manages to finesse into a conversation about how Biden is aweful,Americans are criminals and Putin is helping Ukraine.When I don’t agree he says that I just don’t understand because I’ve been brain washed by western media,and that he’s disappointed somebody as smart as me came to the wrong conclusion in the face of such overwhelming evidence.
我爸爸是塞尔维亚人。我们住在新西兰。他每天早上都看《今日俄罗斯》。
我们谈论的每一件事,他都会设法把它变成关于拜登如何可怕、美国人是罪犯以及普京正在帮助乌克兰的对话。当我不同意时,他说我是不明白的,因为我已经被西方媒体洗脑了,而且他很失望,像我这么聪明的人在面对如此大量的证据时得出了错误的结论。

Nojnnil

Welp better sanction France while we are at it too then.
那我们最好也制裁一下法国。(法国向塞尔维亚出售阵风战斗机的新闻)

chaoabordo212

So everyone should boycott the USA?Only war crimes in Ukraine matters?What about thousands of civilians that were killed by unsanctioned,illegitimate bombing of Serbia by NATO based on fabricated evidence of ethnical cleansing?When is the West planning to pay the reparations?
那么每个人也应该抵制美国?只有乌克兰的战争罪行才是重要的?北约根据捏造的种族清洗证据,对塞尔维亚进行未经批准的非法轰炸,导致数千名平民死亡,这又是怎么回事?西方国家打算什么时候支付赔偿金?

journeyeffect

Most of our stuff made in china.GI with that
我们大部分的东西都是在中国制造的。祝你好运。

Rezhio

Sanction food imports to china and redistributes their share to other countries to minimize the Russian/Ukraine war effec
我们应该制裁对中国的粮食进口,并将其份额重新分配给其他国家,以减少俄罗斯/乌克兰的战争影响。

randomnighmare

China has been hoarding food for the past 2-ish years now.They have bought a large excessive amount of grains,corn,ri ce etc…from all over the world.
中国在过去2年多的时间里一直在囤积粮食。他们从世界各地购买了大量的谷物、玉米、大米等。

Rezhio

It imported 115 tonne of grain in 2020 alone an increase of 28.5 from 2019.
仅在2020年就进口了115吨粮食,比2019年增加了28.5。

AMC_Jabroni

US would never sanction China.And if it by chance did,they’d do what they did with Russia and increase oil imports by 47%like they did last week.If money is to be made America won’t pay attention to any sanctions.
美国永远不会制裁中国。如果它碰巧这样做了,他们会像对待俄罗斯那样,把石油进口增加47%,就像他们上周做的那样。如果要赚钱,美国就不会关注任何制裁。

Sven490

USA has sanctioned Chinese trade for four years now…Remember?The Trump tariffs are still valid.
美国制裁中国贸易已经四年了,还记得吗?特朗普的关税仍然有效。

AMC_Jabroni

And has that actually done anything?
而这实际上有什么作用吗?

HarshmallowsRS

From what I’ve read,it’s hurt American farmers more than it’s hurt China.The Trump administration had to bail out farmers and sent billions because of how badly the tariffs hurt them.Sanctioning China just straight up is not a possibility.
It will only hurt the sanctioning nations.
有,从我读到的内容来看,它对美国农民的伤害比对中国的伤害更大。特朗普政府不得不救助农民,并分发了数十亿美元,因为关税对他们的伤害非常严重。直接制裁中国是不可能的。它只会伤害制裁国。

bellevuefineart

It’s caused prices to go up everywhere,parts shortages,backlogs of goods,supply side isstes,delays in shipping,some products are just not available.Everything is made in China now,so the US fucked itself.
这导致了各地价格上涨,零件短缺,货物积压,供应方出现问题,运输延迟,一些产品就是无法获得。现在所有的东西都是中国制造,所以美国自己也完蛋了。

Electronic-Duck-3876

Yeah,and it did nothing but raise prices&canse supply shortages.Don’t know what point you’re trying to make.Th e only point from that is showing how sanctioning them will make it even worse than it already is&people are already having a meltdown with the high prices now.
是的,它除了提高价格和导致供应短缺外,什么用都没有。我不知道你想表达什么意思。事实证明制裁他们会使情况比现在更糟糕,而人们现在已经对高价格感到崩溃了。

Sven490

So.What would be your idea?
哦,那你有何高见?

SlimieMaskedUp

Sanctioning china would damage the U.S.economy way too much…that’II likely never happen unless we went to war with ch ina directly…
制裁中国会对美国经济造成太大的损害这很可能永远不会发生,除非我们直接与中国开战..

Immortal385

The US will be financing China’s agressive actions/war machine.Because,like Germany,there will be something the US h as to get,has to pay for,can’t do without.It was a mistake to think the west could do sensitive trade with autocratic n ations.
美国将资助中国的反对行动/战争机器。因为像德国一样,美国从中得到某些东西,也必将付出某些东西。我认为西方与专制国家进行贸易就是一个错误。

phycoticfishman

The weapons might be going to Serbia in order to get around Sanetions on Russia or as a way to supply Russia with plausib le deniability.Aka we were just arming Serbs not our fault they fell into Russian hands.
这些武器可能会被运往塞尔维亚,以便绕过对俄罗斯的制裁,或者作为一种向俄罗斯提供武器的合理的推委方式。即,我们只是在武装塞尔维亚人,但这些东西落入俄罗斯手中了可不是我们的错。

thirrteen

That looks suspiciously like a C-17
这看起来很像C-17

eggshelleracking

The y-20 literally looks nothing like a c-17 and way more like a il-76.You people are moronic.
Y-20看起来完全不像C-17,而更像IL-76。你们这些白痴。

rubioburo

It got two wings and some engines under them,so they look alike I guess Imao.For some people,all they know when seeing Chinese tech is”ohh look like a copy”
它都有两个机翼,下面有一个发动机,所以它们看起来很像,我猜你们是这么想的,笑。对于一些人来说,他们看到中国的技术时,就会反射性地想“哦,看起来像一个山寨品”

One_Roguey_Boit

If Serbia even attempted anything they’d be stomped within nanoseconds.
如果塞尔维亚敢试图做什么,他们会在纳秒内被踩死。

MC_ScattCatt

The plane looks like a another Chinese knock off of an American plane.Wonder how that happened…
这架飞机看起来像是中国山寨的又一架美国飞机。不知道他们怎么学来的.

Southern_Change9193

Because it has two wings?
因为它们都有两个翅膀?

MC_ScattCatt

Because it’s aC-17 knockoff
因为它是C-17的山寨版

Southern_Change9193

Because you say so?LMAO.
就因为你这么说?笑死。

MC_ScattCatt

Cause I have eyes and a brain
因为我有眼睛和大脑

Southern_Changeg193

Eyes,yes.Brain,doubt it.According to your”brain”,airbus products must be copies of Boeing products.You can’t say X X is a copy of YY by just looking at it.
有眼睛,是的。有大脑,对此表示怀疑。根据你的”大脑”,空客产品一定是波音产品的复制品。你不能只通过看就说XX是YY的复制品。

SomeDumbApe

Its time to have sanctions on China.
是时候对中国进行制裁了。

Pension-Helpful

Soooo does this constitute supply military weapon to Russia?
这是否构成对俄罗斯的军事武器供应?

linderlouwho

I guess the US is going to war with China.
我猜美国要和中国要开战了。

Mal-De-Terre

It’s been going on for a while now.
这已经持续了一段时间了。

linder louwho

Well,I was thinking more like the actual bombing and killing like poor Ukraine is suffering.
好吧,我说的是更像实际上的轰炸和杀戮,就像可怜的乌克兰正在遭受的。

victoriaa-

Right?I live in the US myself and can’t imagine trying to spin this to make it all about me while people are dying in U kraine.
真的?我自己住在美国,无法想象在乌克兰那种情况发生在我身上。

Zenn97

Today we learned a new concept called”partial secrets.”
今天我们学习了一个新的概念,叫做”部分秘密”。

Gordofski

China needs a fuck ton of sanctions launched at them.
需要对中国进行大量制裁

Xenjael

Ah,so this is how they intend to sell weapons to russia.
Interesting,also stupid.
啊哈,所以这就是他们打算向俄罗斯出售武器的方式。
有意思,也很愚蠢。

aleksdzek

They literally share a border,China and Russia,you dumb a**.You really think Serbia is needed jf China wants to give Russia weapons?
中国和俄罗斯实际上共享一个边界,你这个蠢货。你真的认为如果中国想给俄罗斯提供武器需要塞尔维亚吗?

Erisagi

Right.I also think if they needed a third-country intermediary,they have a bunch of counties in central Asia that are a ligned with Russia to choose from,not one in the middle of Europe.
没错。我还认为,如果他们需要一个第三国的中间人,他们在中亚有一堆与俄罗斯结盟的国家可以选择,而不是在欧洲中部的

aleksdzek

We even don’t share a border with Russia.This anti-Serbian news are starting to be ridiculous at this point..
而且我们甚至与俄罗斯没有共同的边界。现在这种反塞尔维亚的新闻已经开始变得极其荒谬了..

Alin_Alexandru

Romania aeterna
“Semi-Secret”
You mean,exept the semi part.And the secret part
Literally all planes could’ve been seen on tracking apps and were easily photographed.Believe me,China did not want to keep this secret at all,they wanted to be as visible as possible.
(罗马尼亚)
“半秘密”
你的意思是一半公开一半保密?
从字面上看,所有的飞机都可以在追踪应用程序上看到,而且很容易被拍到。相信我,中国根本不想保守这个秘密,他们想尽可能地引人注目。

WesternOligarch

Yeah,they made this deal 2 years ago and gave NATO a heads up to make sure they would be allowed to fly through nato air space Nothing was secret about this it seems.
是的,他们2年前就达成了这个交易,并给北约提了个醒,以确保他们被允许飞过北约领空。这似乎没有什么秘密可言。

DrDabari

They literally called every country they had to fly through and told them they would move it through there air space.
他们简直是给每一个他们必须飞过的国家打电话,告诉他们他们会通过那里的领空进行移动好吧。

3BM15

Semi-secret LOL
The purchase was known for like two years,and the flights passed through the airspace of NATO countries,and were tracke d by people on flight radar.
半秘密哈哈哈哈哈。
这笔采购大概两年前就达成了,航班可以被经过的每一个北约国家的雷达追踪得到。

Basvan

But other than that,nobody knew!
但除此之外,没有人知道!

mertseger67

Everybody knew
etc…
每个人都知道

mkvgtired

I’m pretty sure he was being sarcastic.I know it doesn’t always come through which is why/s is helpful
我很确定他是在反讽。我知道它并不总是能被理解,这就是为什么加个/s(狗头)很有帮助。

AM-IG

Didn’t they pay for this back in 2020?It’s not like this was some secret Cuban Missile Crisis-esq secret delivery.
他们不是在2020年就已经说好了吗?这又不是什么古巴导弹危机式的秘密交付。

InkOnTube

This article is dragged through several subreddits-I can’t escape from it.Even the comments are similar.I am just wai ting for tthe one implying that this will be delivered to Russia through several NATO member states and not secretly throu gh huge border that China shares with Russia.What is wrong with people and this weird logic?
这篇文章被发布在好几个版块中,躲都躲不开。甚至连评论也是类似的。我在等待那个暗示这将通过几个北约成员国而不是秘密地通过中国与俄罗斯共享的巨大边界运送给俄罗斯的人的出现。这种人以及这种奇怪的逻辑到底是怎么回事?

kaubojdzord

Београд,Србиjа
I’m convinced that invasion of Ukraine has turned brains of Redditors into mush.
我相信,对乌克兰的入侵已经把红迪网友的大脑变成了糊状。

WesternOligarch

Redditors actually only have one brain that they collectively have to share
红迪网友其实只有一个大脑,大家都共用这个大脑。

TheGameYouLostIt

Serbia
Trump winning in 2016 made averege Western citizen that consume mass media into a braindead NPC
(塞尔维亚)
特朗普在2016年获胜,使消费大众媒体的普通西方公民成为脑残的NPC

kontemplador

Fully agree.The amount of BS that mass media has been spewing since then is incommensurate.Western media should really push to unban RT/Sputnik so they look serious in comparison.Now they are gone,their true colors are more clear.
Situation is really serious.It feels like you cannot trust the media anymore and that causes a disconnect with reality.
During the pandemic,it was a really acute feeling.I’m fortumate to have friends around the world and the contrast betwee n what was being reported and what was happening on the ground was stark.
完全同意。从那时起,大众媒体一直在喷酒大量的胡说八道的东西。西方媒体真的应该推动解除对RT/Sputnik的禁令,这样他们才会显得严肃。现在RT没了,西方媒体自己的真面目反而显得更清楚了。形势真的很严峻。感觉你不能再相信媒体了,它会让你与现实脱节。在大流行病期间,这种感觉真的很强烈。我很幸运在世界各地都有朋友,知道报道的内容和实地发生的情况形成了鲜明的对比。
If there’s one thing the Russian Army doesn’t need,its SAMs.
如果说有一件事是俄罗斯军队不需要的,那就是防空导弹。

mkaman

Serbia
Now I’ll have to look up”semi-secret”in dictionary.
(塞尔维亚)
我得查查字典“半秘密”是什么意思。

Sherool

Norway
I guess it means they didn’t blast out a press release to every outlet before doing it Has to be shady.
(挪威)
我想这意味着他们在做这件事之前没有向所有的媒体发布新闻稿。这肯定是不够透明的。

SpicyJalapenoo

Rep.Srpska
When government had paid(and ordered)them it was all over domestic news and now when they have been delivered it’s additionally all over foreign news for some reason.There’s nothing shady about them,it was transparent and they have gotten even permission to pass trough countries that are in NATO.Not much fuss was 2 days ago when Serbia ordered armory from Fr ance though.
当政府支付(和订购)它们时,这是该国的国内新闻,现在当它们已经交付时,不知什么原因却又成了外国新闻了。这里面没有任何黑幕,这是透明的,他们甚至得到了通过的北约国家的许可。相比之下两天前,塞尔维亚从法国订购军火并没有引起什么大惊小怪。

Gloomy_Drummer

Serbia
Oh,nuclear warheads we ordered from AliExpress have arrived.New Year’s Eve is going to be lit.
(塞尔维亚)
哦,原来是我们从速卖通订购的核弹头到货了。过年的时候应该会拿来放放。

Kiltymchaggismuncher

I mean Nato isn’t going to sell to them,russia is in no position to do so.Who else would they buy from?
This isn’t really a big deal,they’re entitle to buy from who they want.That being said,I’m not sure this is the best i nvestment they could be making
北约不会卖给他们,俄罗斯也没有资格这样做。他们还能向谁买?
这其实不是什么大问题,他们有权向他们想要的人购买。话虽如此,我不确定这是他们可能做出的最好的投资。

FrankTheWerewolf

Portugal
Guess all the propaganda outlets are so busy with Russia vs Ukraine that they left the anti-China news to the interns.
(葡萄牙)
我猜所有的宣传机构都在忙着处理俄罗斯与乌克兰,所以把反华的新闻留给了实习生处理。

IIIIIIII

“semi secret”:In August 2020,it was announced that Serbia had purchased the FK-3,surprising a majority of Russian medi a that had expected Serbia to purchase the S-300 instead.[u]It was the first time that any Chinese medium and long range SAM had been exported to a European country.[12]
“半秘密”:2020年8月,塞尔维亚宣布购买FK-3,令大多数原本预计塞尔维亚将购买S-300的俄罗斯媒体感到惊讶。[11]这是中国中远程地空导弹第一次出口到欧洲国家。[12]
-维基百科