中国宣布将组建“近地小行星防御系统“,美国网友破防:这不是该美国干的事吗?

2022.4.26 发布在 世界看中国 栏目

中国宣布将组建“近地小行星防御系统“,美国网友破防:这不是该美国干的事吗? 世界看中国-第1张

China will aim to alter the orbit of a potentially threatening asteroid in 2025 with a kinetic impactor test,as part of plans for a planetary defense system
作为行星防御系统计划的一部分,中国将在2025年通过动能冲击器试验改变一颗具有潜在威胁的小行星的轨道。

Reddit网友评论:

thinkB4WeSpeak

We probably should be working with all nations together on planetary defense,so if one fails then another will succeed.
我们也许应该和所有国家一起合作进行行星防御,所以如果一个国家失败了,那么另一个国家可能会成功。

KarlMarxFarts

What is this so called”working together against a common threat”you speak of?
你说的所谓的”共同对付一个共同的威胁”指的是什么?

Kaoulombre

The most unbelievable fact in science fiction is that humanity will come together at the discovery of alien life or while facing a global threat
科幻小说中最令人难以置信的一件事是,人类会在发现外星生命或面临全球威胁时团结在一起。

BwingoLordi

I always thought that the discovery of alien life would be one of the most unifying things that could happen to humanity;we’d suddenly have a common threat and a common goal and a lot of our differences would be put aside
我一直认为发现外星生命会是使人类团结起来的事情之一;我们会突然有了一个共同的威胁和共同的目标,然后我们的很多分歧会被搁置起来。

GenghisKazoo

The best model we have for encounters with an advanced alien race is probably what happened when Europeans with guns show ed up in parts of the world without them for the first time.
Generally speaking there was far less teaming up to deal with the new common enemy,and a lot more buying guns from them to get an advantage over the old familiar enemies.Often until it was too late.
我们与先进的外星种族相遇的最可能的样板是,像当时拥有枪支的欧洲人第一次出现在没有枪支的地方时发生的情况。
一般来说,联手对付这个新的共同敌人的情况要少得多,而从他们那里购买枪支以去对付老熟人的敌人以抢占占优势的情况要多得多。(合作)往往等到为时已晚才发生。

Baderkadonk

The Aliens vs Earth scenario implies the aliens are a threat and we all know it.
People can look back now and say that it was effectively Europe vs Africa/Asia,but I doubt those less advanced cultures saw it that way at the time.South Africans wouldn’t know the Dutch guy that sold them cool weapons would eventuallycolon ize them,nor would they know the Dutch were doing the same in South East Asia.
有外星人+地球场景的电影、小说一直暗示着外星人是一种威胁,所以我们事先都已经知道这一点了。
人们现在可能回过头来说,外星人降临地球会是像当时先进的欧洲对阵落后的非洲/亚洲那样,但我怀疑那些不太先进的文明在当时会是以一种已经知道欧洲人是威胁的心态来看待他们的。南非人不会知道卖给他们很酷的武器的荷兰人最终会殖民他们,他们也不会知道荷兰人在东南亚也在做同样的事情。

HOLYFAMINE

If the aliens show up to earth while we haven’t yet mastered space travel it wouldn’t be much of a fight at all.The tech nological advancement it would take to reach earth from outside our solar system would also mean they are easily capable o f sending in space debris or hell even a ship at a minimal percentage of the speed of light and completely wiping out life/potential competition.
如果外星人在我们还没有掌握太空旅行的时候出现在地球上,那这根本就不是一场战斗。从太阳系外到达地球所需要的技术进步也意味着他们很容易就能以最小的光速比例发送空间碎片或地狱般的飞船,并完全消灭生命/潜在的竞争。

ImrooVRdev

Some nation states would work with invaders in order to fuck over their current enemies that’s for sure.
些民族国家会与入侵者合作,以搞垮他们目前的敌人,这是肯定的。

crybaby6g

Cixin Liu’s Three Body Problem addresses this and our lack of coming together,it’s pretty good!
刘慈欣的《三体》解决了这个问题,也解决了我们不团结的问题,挺好的!

roxannebruns

Substitute”COVID”for”Alien”
试着用”COVID”代替”外星人”。

shitdobehappeningtho

The U.S.government released their own UFO video and seem to have been mostly ignored.
美国政府发布了自己的不明飞行物视频,似乎大多被忽视了。

ErikTheAngry

Americans:Join us under one banner!
Chinese:Join us under one banner!
Everyone to everyone else:alright,are we gonna have to throw down or are you gonna work with us here?
美国人:加入我们的旗下吧!
中国人:加入我们的旗下吧!
<等等>。
每个人都对其他人说:好吧,我们到底是要躺平还是要团结起来?

WowoowoW

doesn’t seem that far fetched.we already work well with other nations in our space programs.
没那么为难,我们已经在太空项目中与其他国家进行了良好的合作。

BlueLaserCommander

NASA has paid the R ussian space program millions-probably billions-in order to use their rockets and launch sites to send American astronauts into orbit/ISS.This has been going on for decades.
Other than that and astronauts of different cultures working together on the ISS,I don’t believe the nations of the world are actually working well together in space programs-not saying they’re in conflict with one another either.They ju st seem to operate independently from one another barring the examples I listed above.
The commercialization of space flight has somewhat encouraged govt funded space programs to seek solutions and operate o utside of their own bubble.I believe NASA recently signed a contract with SpaceX to use their re-usable boosters.
I feel like CERN is a decent example of nations working together for the betterment and progression of the human race.Al though CERN is mostly European nations.Still,it is nice to see a common goal among nations.
The LHC would’ve been an astronomical task for one country to fund,engineer,and operate alone.Rather than scrappingt he project,nations came together and made it happen and the collider/accelerator is one of human’s most incredible achie vements IMO.
美国宇航局已经向俄罗斯太空局支付了数百万——可能是数十亿——来使用他们的火箭和发射场,将美国宇航员送入轨道/国际空间站。这种情况已经持续了几十年了。
除了这一点以及不同文化的宇航员在国际空间站上一起工作之外,我不相信世界各国实际上在太空计划中合作得很好——也不是说他们相互冲突。除了我上面列举的例子外,各国的太空计划看起来更像是相互独立运作的。
太空飞行的商业化在某种程度上鼓励政府资助的太空项目寻求一些在自己的泡沫之外的运作解决方案。我相信NASA最近与Spach ex签署了一份合同来使用他们的可重复使用的助推器。
我觉得欧洲核子研究中心是一个各国为了人类的进步和发展而合作的很好的例子。虽然欧洲核子研究中心主要是欧洲国家。不过,看到国家间一起朝着共同目标前进的感觉还是很好的。
要单独资助、设计和运作大型强子对撞机对一个国家来说是一项天文数字的任务。但是各国没有放弃这个项目,而是团结起来使之成为现实,而对撞机/加速器是人类最不可思议的成就之一。

stick_always_wins

Except Congress has banned NASA from cooperating at all with CNSA which is why they built there own space station in the first place(since they’re banned from the ISS)
除了国会禁止了NASA与CNSA合作,这就是为什么他们首次建立了自己的空间站(因为他们被禁止进入国际空间站)

DarkWorld25

This is mostly because the Chinese space program is military run,like a lot of things in China(research institutes etc)
这主要是因为中国的太空计划是由军队管理的,就像中国的很多事情一样(研究机构等)。

maaku7

It’s mostly because Frank Wolf hated China
不,这主要是因为弗兰克-沃尔夫讨厌中国。

Staerebu

CNSA is under civilian command,but much like the US,their primary contractors have significant military dealings.The m anned space flight area is separate and within the military structure IRC.
I think if the concern is espionage then US counterintelligence should be funded to address that,not a blanket ban on co ordination and scientific cooperation.
NSA由文职人员指挥,但与美国非常相似的是,他们的主要承包商也会承担重要的军事交易。载人航天飞行部分是独立的,属于军事结构,如果我没记错的话。
我认为,如果担心间谋活动,那么应该资助美国的反间谋活动来解决这个问题,而不是全面禁止协调和科学合作。

vorhersagen

You do understand that everything in China is owned by the CCP right?Stating its under”civilian”control means its unde r CCP control.China has been actively harvesting Western tech for about three decades,it does not make sense to give the m access to NASA.
你知道中国的一切都归政府所有,对吗?说它在”文职”的控制之下…。中国在过去三十年里一直在积极偷窃西方的技术,让他们进入美国国家航空航天局是没有意义的。

WAHgop

NASA is pretty well under government control too.
我很确定美国国家航空航天局也很受美国政府控制。

Nethlemi

Yeah but it’s different when we do it because we are not Chinese!!
“是的,但我们这么做就不一样,因为我们不是中国人!!”

stick_always_wins

While this is true,I find it laughable that the US Military isn’t just as intertwined(if not more)in NASA.The overla p between space exploration tech and ballistic missile tech is too strong to ignore.
虽然这是事实,但我觉得可笑的是,美国军方与美国国家航空航天局的关系不是同样的交织在一起吗(如果不是更多)。空间探索技术和弹道导弹技术之间的重叠性太强了,根本无法忽视。

some_lukewarm_water

I don’t see why not?
“科幻小说中最让人难以置信的事情是人类会团结起来对付共同威胁”
为什么不呢?

A_wild_so-and-so

Did you…did you just wake up from a coma?We just went through a very light global threat and everyone was ready to ri peach other apart after the first 6 months.
你…你刚从昏迷中醒来吗?我们刚刚经历了一个比较轻微的全球威胁,在头6个月后现在每个人都准备着撕毁对方。

Twin_Turbo

What global threat
什么全球威胁?

smackson

I believe it was called the”Novel Coronavirus 2019″.
我相信是一种名为“2019年新型冠状病毒”的东西。

CraigArndt

Same reason you see people fighting against things like Climate change.
There are people with vested interest to keep the status quo. If you’ re one of the richest people on the planet and you’ ve spent your life giving your family every advantage over others that are humanly possible, what happens when aliens com eand potentially remove those advantages? What if the aliens give us replicators that make entire manufacturing industriesuseless because we can order up anything instantly with no cost. What if they give us transportation tech and your car m anufacturing company is instantly outdated. Even just alternative energies that could instantly move us away from oil woul d be enough for countries with oil centric economies to start wars over.
That doesn’t even get into the political imbalance. If Aliens talk with Americans first you can bet that Russians and Ch inese will do what they can to sabotage that relationship and keep USA from gaining an unstoppable upper hand in the political world (And the same thing would be said if China or Russia contacted aliens first too). You can bet some countries would take contrary positions just because they see enemies benefitting from aliens. And some might view the world as just being better off as is, rather than risk an imbalance with alien technology. There is also a very strong opinion among a lo tof people that aliens are a big danger not to be trusted. In human history the technologically superior group has always dominated or genocided the less technological group and if we encounter aliens, we’ re the lessor.
In conflict there would always be people who are setting themselves up to be in the best position post-conflict (even tothe detriment of surviving the conflict itself). In the event we fought with aliens and weren’t instantly defeated, you’d likely see countries working together but still positioning each other and sabotaging each other. For example, if the aliens first touched down in Washington and were wrecking the place you could easily see American enemies mobilizing a littl e slower to let America take a bigger hit and not be in as great of a position afterwords. You’d also likely see the enemies lobby and maybe just act on harsher actions like tossing Nukes on Washington DC with the justification that they ares aving all of humanity at the cost of sacrificing America. And yet those same countries would advocate for more surgical me asures if the fight was at their Capital.
tl; dr people are complicated and a certain percentage are always self motivated.
“为什么不呢”
和你看到人们反对为全球气候变化作出共同努力等事情的原因一样。
有的人是既得利益者,要保持现状。如果你是地球上最富有的人之一,而且你一生都在给你的家人提供人类可能拥有的所有优势,那么当外星人来了并有可能消除这些优势时会发生什么?如果外星人给了我们复制器,使整个制造业变得毫无用处,因为我们可以立即复制任何东西而不需要任何成本,那会怎么样?如果他们给了我们运输技术,你的汽车制造公司马上就会过时。即使仅仅是给了一种能够让我们立即远离石油的替代能源,也足以让那些以石油为中心的国家为之发动战争。
这甚至还没有涉及到政治上的不平衡。如果外星人首先与美国人交谈,你可以打赌俄罗斯人和中国人会尽其所能破坏这种关系,使美国无法在政治世界中获得不可阻挡的优势(如果中国或俄罗斯首先与外星人接触,也是这样)。你可以打赌,一些国家会采取相反的立场,只是因为他们看到敌人从外星人那里得到好处。而有些人可能会认为这个世界像现在这样就非常好,不应冒着技术失衡的风险与外星人交流。在很多人中也有一种非常强烈的观点,认为外星人是一个不值得信任的巨大危险。在人类历史上,技术优越的群体总是支配或灭绝技术较差的群体,如果我们遇到外星人,我们就是较差的一方。
在冲突中,总有一些人在为自己谋取冲突后的最佳位置(甚至不利于在冲突中幸存下来)。在我们与外星人交战而没有立即被打败的情况下,你很可能会看到各国在一起工作,但仍然互相喵准对方,互相破坏。例如,如果外星人首先降落在华盛顿,并破坏了这个地方,你很容易看到美国的敌人会动员得慢一点,让美国遭受更大的打击,之后就不会有那么大的优势了。你也可能看到敌人游说外星人采取更严厉的行动,如向华盛顿特区投掷核弹,理由是他们可以以牺牲美国为代价来拯救全人类。然而,如果战斗发生在他们的首都,这些国家就会主张采取更多的外科手术打击措施。
简而言之,人是复杂的,有一定比例的人总是很自我。

fleeyevegans

Or jeff bezos will take a rocketship into outer space a fly away with elon musk.
“我们可能应该与所有国家一起在行星防御上合作,所以如果一个国家失败了,另一个国家就会成功。或者杰夫-贝佐斯将乘坐火箭艇进入外太空,与埃隆-马斯克一起飞走。

duhellmang

Working…together…?
一起工作?

CaptainMagnets

Working together?!?That sounds like communism!/s
一起工作!?听起来像是共产主义!?(狗头)

PineappleLemur

I mean it’s kinda in the name..having more than one”Planetary Defense Agency”is real stupid.
It should be a world effort..not an individual country/s
从这个名字上看,有一个以上的“行星防御局”是非常愚蠢的。
它应该是一个世界性的努力而不是个别国家。

ShittyWok-

Is it just me who thought of the book and movie Arrival when I saw this
只有我在看到这个新闻的时候想到了《降临》这本书和电影吗?

KittyKitty9000

You know this is a long range orbital missile test,right?Its never really about space but about hitting countries aroun d the globe.
你知道这是一次远程轨道导弹测试,对吗?它从来都不是关于太空的,而是关于如何打击全球各国的。

Figio24

in a surprise turn of events,the asteroid diverted by China has hit the North American continent.China issued this stat ement:”oops”
出人意料的是,被中国改道的小行星撞击了北美大陆。中国发表声明:“哎呀”

MEΙ7

kinetic impactor test:hitting a big rock with a little one to see if it moves.
动能冲击器试验:用小石头砸大石头,看它是否移动。

livebeta

worse…China builds an orbital railgun for this.
更糟糕的是中国为此建造了轨道炮。

IncelDetectingRobot

What’s wrong with a railgun?Much less tacky than a space elevator imo.Who wants a giant antenna poking through the atmo sphere?
轨道炮有什么不好?我觉得比起俗气的太空电梯要好得多。谁想要一个巨大的穿过大气层的天线?

livebeta

in space,you can spin a railgun to point at a spot on earth.
another non-hostile related railgun logistic issue is the matter of moving kinetic payload from the surface into orbit,w hich could be costly
在太空中,你可以将轨道炮旋转,指向地球上的某个地方。
另一个与非敌对相关的轨道炮的后勤问题是如何将动能有效载荷从地面移动到轨道上,这可能代价高昂。

Pristine_Nothing

I’m no physicist,but it’s a pretty long way down from space for something ballistic that is a threat based on its kine tic energy alone.
It’s either something that is aerodynamic enough to be guided,in which case we’ve already invented”airplanes”and”ballistic missiles.”
Or it’s so small that it burns up.
Or it’s so large that it slows down enough to be able to be hit with a missile.
I just don’t see the upside.
我不是物理学家,但我觉得对于仅凭动能构成威胁的弹道物来说,从太空打下来还有很长的路要走。
它要么是空气动力学的东西,使其足以被引导下来,但是在这种情况下,我们已经发明了”飞机”和”弹道导弹”。
或者它是如此之小,以至于它在下来的时候就燃烧起来了。
或者它是如此之大,以至于它下来的速度减慢到能够被导弹击中。
反正我看不出有什么好处。

Imyourlandlord

If its in orbit you dont need it to be aerodynamic if its big enough,just calculate the trajectory and let it drop,plus why guide it when you’re aiming for total destruction
如果它在轨道上,你不需要它是空气动力学的,如果它足够大,你只需计算轨迹,让它下降就行了,另外,当你的目标是完全摧毁时为什么要引导它

zenigata_mondatta

I’d trust china more with one before the US the only nation to nuke another nation for clout.
我更相信中国,而不是美国,因为美国是唯一一个为了影响力而对另一个国家进行核打击的国家。

TrailerParkTonyStark

It still blows my mind that we humans,who are for all intents and purposes,just really smart monkeys,are not only ableto understand celestial obxts like asteroids,study them,and comprehend the potential threat that they pose to Earth,bu t that we are able to create the tools and technology to manipulate them and actually change the fate of an entire planet.
我们人类,就所有意图和目的而言,只是非常聪明的猴子,却不仅能够了解像小行星这样的天体,研究它们,理解它们对地球构成的潜在威胁,而且我们能够创造工具和技术来操纵它们,并且实际上改变整个星球的命运,这仍然让我感到震惊。

Princess_Juggs

I find it funny that asteroids potentially represent the greatest existential threat to us out of any natural disaster,y et they’re the only one we have the power to do something about.
我觉得有趣的是,在所有自然灾害中,小行星可能是对我们最大的生存威胁,但它们却是我们唯一有能力做一些事情的。

subdep

We haven’t yet done it to this point,so let’s not post ourselves on the back just yet.
到目前为止,我们还没有做到这一点,所以我们先不要自卖自夸。

instantHuman

Imagine if we actually put scientists in charge instead of corrupt lawyers
想象一下,如果我们真的让科学家而不是腐败的律师来掌权

kaiizza

I love how you suggest that we are”just smart monkeys”and then list such absurdly profound things that completely des troy your initial statement.We are not smart monkeys.We have evolved to develop a large frontal cortex,we problem solve in ways no other animal can comprehend.We built a fucking space station that has been in operation for over two decades and you think we are just”smart monkeys”.How can you even put as in the same game as a monkey?
Not trying to be an ahole but you seem to severely discredit our species.We are not smart monkeys.We are Homo sapiens w ho may very well begin colonizing another planet within the next 30 years for Christ sake.Gives a bit of credit my man or woman.
我喜欢你如何暗示我们”只是聪明的猴子”,然后列出一系列深刻到无与伦比的东西来完全破坏你最初的声明的样子。我们不是职明的猴子。我们已经进化出了一个巨大的额叶皮层,我们以其他动物无法理解的方式解决问题。我们他妈建立了一个已经运行了20多年的空间站,而你认为我们只是”聪明的猴子”。它配吗?
不是想表现得很粗鲁,但你似乎严重诋毁了我们的物种。我们不是聪明的猴子。我们是智人,很可能在未来30年内开始殖民另一个星球,看在上帝的份上。请给我们的男人或女人们一点信心。

TwiN4819

The speech in movie Armageddon got me.The one about for the first time in the history of the planet,a species has the t echnology to prevent its own extinction.That shit hit me hard and gave me chills.Its weird thinking that”nature”has co ndemned our species for annihilation…yet we can fight back and change destiny.
电影《世界末日》中的演讲让我印象深刻。在这个星球的历史上,第一次有一个物种拥有防止自己灭绝的技术。这句话深深地击中了我,让我鸡皮疙瘩都起来了。想到“自然”原本已经注定了我们的物种将被毁灭,而我们却可以反击并改变命运,这太奇怪

Devadander

When you really take a step back and think about it,man walking on the moon is INSANE and by far humanity’s greatest ac hievement.THE MOON!That thing every creature on this planet with half a thought has looked up at in the night sky,and w e walked on it.Amazing
你再回过头来看一看想一想,其实人类在月球上行走这件事也是很疯狂的,是迄今为止人类最伟大的成就。月球!这个星球上每一个有半点自我思维的生物都曾在夜空中仰望过的东西,而我们却能在上面行走。令人惊叹。

joesii

but that we are able to create the tools and technology to manipulate them and actually change the fate of an entire plan et.
However we don’t.Although China is maybe starting to sort of disprove this in one sense,but they’re also still killing the planet in some other senses(environmental destruction,pollution,and global warming).
“但是,我们能够创造工具和技术来操纵它们,并实际上改变整个星球的命运。
然而我们没有。虽然中国也许开始在某种意义上反驳了这一点,但他们也仍然在其他一些意义上在扼杀这个星球(环境破坏、污染和全球变暖)

TripOnTheBayou

And further,what really blows me away is that we have the ability invent a system(math)that allowed us to precisely ex plain and predict our whole universe and that we advance this system further and further.We found problems that took centuries to solved and at some point a few humans came along with the ability to figure it out.Or create complex theories that couldn’t be proven at the time because we lacked the technology only to proven to be correct once we had the technology
此外,真正让我震惊的是,我们有能力发明一个系统(数学),使我们能够精确地解释和预测我们的整个宇宙,并且我们进一步推进这个系统,越走越远。我们发现了需要几个世纪才能解决的问题,并且在某个时间点,一些拥有解决这个问题的能力的人会出现。或者创造出一些在当时我们因为缺乏技术无法被证明的复杂的理论,但一旦我们拥有相关技术,就会证明那个理论是正确的。

Dapper_Cranberry

What blows my mind is that we are capable of all this but still can’t be nice to each other
更让我震惊的是,我们有能力做到这一切,但仍然不能对彼此友善。

Khaatru478

And SpaceX launched the DART system at Didymos.Wouldn’t it be great if,since these incoming rocks threaten all life on this planet,the nations of the world could work together on planetary defense instead of remaining in our little national boxes?To me,this does have the feel,a little bit,of a contest to see who can come up with best system,i.e.whose spa ce rock deterrent system represents the biggest d*ck.
Spacex也对Didymos(某颗小行星)发射了DART探测器。由于这些来袭的岩石威胁着这个星球上的所有生命,如果世界各国能够在行星防御方面共同努力,而不是停留在我们小小的各自的国家的泡沫里,那不是很好吗?对我来说,这确实有点像一场比赛看谁能想出最好的系统,谁的太空威慑系统最牛逼而不是比谁的JJ最大这种蠢事。

themutedude

Well said!Time to lobby congress to un-ban China from the ISS?
说得好!是时候游说国会取消对中国在国际空间站的禁令了?

sublime_touch

China has their own space station.The shortsightedness of our gov’t only made them prove themselves in space.Now ISS i sabout to be decommissioned by the end of the decade and we don’t know if NASA will get enough funding for the next one or if it’ll have to rely of privatization.
中国有自己的空间站。我们政府的短视只是让他们在太空中证明了自己。现在,国际空间站即将在十年后退役,我们不知道美国国家航空航天局是否会得到足够的资金来建造下一个空间站,或者它是否不得不依靠私有化。

FrivolousFrank

*knocks otherwise harmless asteroid into a direct impact path with earth
*将原本无害的小行星撞向直接撞击地球的路径

Seekinglmmortality

“Oh no,great leader,we have accidentally diverted the asteroid directly into a collision with the capital of a country who typically opposes us.Such a terrible accident.We should really perform 20 or 30 similar tests until we get it right.
“哦,不,伟大的领袖,我们不小心让小行星直接转向,与一个经常反对我们的国家的首都相撞了。多么可怕的事故啊。我们真的应该再进行20或30次类似的测试,直到我们把它弄好。

htiafon

You do realize they already have nukes,right?
你确实意识到他们已经拥有核武器了的,对吧?

The_Grubby_One

I mean,it would fuck China up,too.Asteroids hitting the Earth tend to be global extinction events.
这也会把中国搞得一团糟。小行星撞击地球往往是全球性的灭绝事件。

Seekinglmmortality

I mean,we’ve had multiple asteroids hit earth that only would count as city killers.Like the Tunguska event in Russia w as approx 12 megaton equivalent hit.And small asteroids hit all the time,just blow up in the atmosphere.
我们已经有过多个小行星撞击地球,这些只能算作城市杀手。比如俄罗斯的通古斯事件,大约是12兆吨当量的撞击。小型小行星一直在撞击地球,只是在大气层中被烧毁了。

Master_Chef-117

Here’s Reddit once again fantasizing China to do the impossible and become a super villain.You got some savior complex t o get fixed
红迪网友再次幻想中国做一些不可能的事情并成为超级反派。你们有一些救世主情结需要修复一下。

gelinrefira

China tries something new and good.Everyone assumed they have ulterior motive.America does something provably bad,must be because we have a good reason to do a necessary evil thing.
You can’t win over people that already have a preformed notion and will just find any way to make anything fit that notio
中国尝试一些新的和好的东西:每个人都认为他们别有用心。美国做了一些可以证明是坏事的事情:一定是因为我们有充分的理由去做一件必要的坏事。
你无法说服那些心里已经有一个预先形成的概念并且想方设法让任何东西符合那个概念的人。

TheObservationalist

Knowing China this is fully what I expect.They should be warned against trying this in the most clear and stern terms.
以我对中国的了解,他们这么做完全在我的意料之内。应该以最明确和严厉的措辞警告他们不要尝试这么做。

nmi3g

This was my first thought.Pretty scary shit
这就是我第一时间的想法。太可怕了。

sipu36

Excactly what was my first thought.Gg everybody!
这也是我的第一想法。大家都玩完!

Q80

I am afraid of EXACTLY this.
我怕的就是这个

spacemechanic

NASA just launched a similar mission last fall.It’s good that independent agencies are pursuing this tech.
美国宇航局去年秋天刚刚启动了一个类似的任务。独立机构正在追求这项技术是件好事。

notagoodboye

Well,I for one see no possible way this could go awry.
好吧,我认为中国这么做完全不可能出错呢。

UrbanlsACommunist

This is 100%the plot of a science fiction novel somewhere,where the attempt to destroy the asteroid inadvertently cause sthe impact to be 1ox as devastating.
这百分之百是某部科幻小说的情节,试图摧毁小行星的行为无意中导致冲击力达到10倍原本撞击地球的破坏力。

rapot80937

I don’t really see the risk.There are WAYYYY more ways for an asteroid not to hit earth,unlike other domains where fail ure modes are more probable given sufficient meddling(e.g.genetic engineering or AI)
It’s like the one existential risk that can have a simple solution:just fucking shoot rockets at it
我真的不觉得这么做有什么风险。让小行星不撞上地球的操作空间太太太太大了,不像其他领域,工序越复杂就越有可能发生故障(例如基因工程或人工智能)。
就算它真的存在的风险,也有一个简单至极的解决方案:一发火箭轰他娘的就行了。

YobaiYamete

I feel like 80%of the people who post on this sub are just here from r/all and know absolutely nothing about orbital mec hanics or space in general.
Like,the chance of accidentally knocking the asteroid onto an Earth collision course instead of in literally any other d irection is so astronomically small that it’s not even a factor.
It would be challenging to do even if they were trying to do it on purpose
我觉得在这个板块上发帖的人,80%都是从其他各个板块过来的,对轨道力学或一般的太空完全不了解。因为不小心把小行星撞到地球上而不是撞到其他方向上的几率是如此的小,以至于根本算不上一个因素。
即使他们想故意这样做也很难。

B_Fee

Well..yeah?Why would you expect most people to understand orbital mechanics in space?
好吧…为什么你会期望大多数人能了解太空轨道力学?

Lt_Duckweed

I wouldn’t expect the average person to be able to understand orbital mechanics in depth,but if they can’t understand th e basic fact that Earth is small and space is big,and making something hit the Earth by mistake is mind numbingly unlikel y,they should just not bother commenting.
It’s like thinking that blowing on a marble rolling downhill in Nevada is going to make it hit a basketball in Texas.
我不指望普通人能够深入了解轨道力学,但如果他们不能理解一个基本的事实,即地球很小,太空很大,让某个东西误击地球的可能性小得令人发指,他们就不应该胡乱发表意见。
这就像认为在内华达州对着滚下山的弹珠吹一口气,会让它撞上一个在德克萨斯州的篮球一样。

SimpleDose

China is of course 100%trustworthy
中国当然是100%值得信赖的呢

culturedgoat

Not sure why you’d be under the impression that this is a trust exercise?
不知道为什么你会觉得这是一种信任练习?

ablacnk.

because”reeee China”which sums up a significant percentage of the posts here,as is typical whenever China is mentionedon Reddit.I’m not sure why people have to be upset about a country trying to develop methods and technologies to preventextinction-level threats like asteroid impacts.I’d expect people to put aside their differences if there was a giant ast eroid hurtling towards the Earth,but then again it might just turn out like the movie Don’t Look Up.
Real stupid.
因为”中国坏”这句话概括了这里相当大比例的帖子,这也是Reddit上每次提到中国时典型的情况。我不知道为什么人们要对一个国家试图开发某种方法和技术来防止小行星撞击等灭绝级威胁感到不安。如果有一颗巨大的小行星冲向地球,我希望人们能抛开他们的分歧,但话又说回来,如果事情真的发生,结果可能会像电影《不要抬头》那样。
真的蠢。

ObberGobb

I mean,yeah they aren’t,but it would take some next-level sinophobia to think that they would try to destroy the planet with an asteroid
是的,他们不(完全值得信赖),但如果认为他们会试图用小行星摧毁地球,那得需要另一种境界的恐华臆想才会得出的结论

DubiousDrewski

Trustworthy or not,safety from asteroids is to EVERYONE’S benefit.If they’re truly launching such a mission,I trust th at they’re trying their best.
Now will this new technology be militarized?Eventually,almost certainly.
无论是否值得信任,让地球远离小行星对每个人都有好处。如果他们真的发起这样的使命,我相信他们正在尽最大努力。
不过这项新技术会被军事化吗?几乎可以肯定。

akiva_the_king

Why?Just because it’s the Chinese doing the test and China = bad,or just because it’s not America the ones doing the te st?
为什么?就因为是中国人在做这个实验,而中国=坏,还是只是因为做这个实验的不是美国?

AoMS123

Better than doing nothing
Or trying to explode it into smaller pieces so we can reduce devastation below existential threat,and then mine it to ex tract all of its value.
总比什么都不做要好
或者试图把它炸成更小的碎片,这样我们就可以把破坏力降低到生存威胁以下,然后开采它以提取其所有的价值。

Beli_Mawrr

I swear to god reddit sometimes…THE USIS DOING THE EXACT SAME THING FOR FUCKS SAKE.Look up DART.Same shi Everyone is acting like its doom and gloom when china does it but totally all good when the US does it.Yes China probabl y has less effective oversight over it.But no,its probably about the same danger to the world when they do it.
Now,we should just quit the shit and form an international commission with China,Russia,Japan,ESA,etc to ensure all countries are on board when we have to do this shit for reals.Every part needs to be kept on stock in multiple locations,every one of our redirect rockets needs 3o day standup capabilities,every one of the redirect probes must be multiply re dundant AND we need copies of them in every participatory country.You want to stop an asteroid strike?That’s how.
Now let’s do that shit for climate change too.
我向上帝发誓Reddit有时候真的是 美国也在做同样的事情,看在上帝的份上。查一下DART吧。一样的玩意儿。每个人都在表现得好像如果是中国在做这件事就是大大的不妙,但美国做同样的事就完全是件好事。是的,中国对它的有效监督可能较少。但是,当美国这样做时,对世界的危害可能是一样的。
现在,我们应该放弃这些成见,与中国、俄罗斯、日本、欧空局等组成一个国际委员会,以确保当我们不得不真的做这些玩意儿时,所有国家都出一份力。每一个部件都需要在多个地点保持库存,我们的每一个重定向火箭都需要30天的备用能力,每一个重定向探测器都必须是有多余库存的,而且我们需要在每个参与国都有它们的副本。你想阻止小行星撞击地球吗?这就是方法。
现在让我们也为气候变化做这件事吧。

breezyfye

People on Reddit tend focus on china so much because they forget propaganda works both ways
Reddit上的人们往往如此关注中国,因为他们忘记了宣传是双向的。

Son_Of_The_Empire

“chinese citizens and north koreans live under propaganda as opposed to us americans who totally dont”
“中国公民和朝鲜人生活在宣传之下,而我们美国人则完全没有”

solidarity_jock_jam

Literally the most banal and innocuous posts,like a beautiful landscape or a video of a talented athlete or artist,gets dozens of CEE CEE PEE BAD comments if it’s from China.
即使是最平凡和无害的帖子,如美丽的风景或天才运动员或艺术家的视频,如果是来自中国,一样会得到几十个“啊啊啊中国的东西都是坏的”的评论。

SoakedSeahorse

I detected the word”China”in your comment,thus:CBAD!USA GOOD!
我在你的评论中检测到了”中国”这个词,所以:中国坏!美国棒!

Illkill

fucking hate reddit sometimes
有时候真的很讨厌reddit

Jamie_Pull_That_Up

Wow.This is actually pretty cool.I hope it’s successful
哇哦。这很酷。我希望它能成功。

lughnasadh

Submission Statement.
This raises two questions to me.
If it’s a planetary defense system,shouldn’t it have planetary oversight,not just one nation?
Second,and perhaps more important,is the potential for use as a weapon.As space becomes cheaper to access,the potential field of people with the ability to nudge an asteroid increases.It’s hard to think there could be weapons more powerf ul than hydrogen bombs,but asteroids certainly could be.
这对我来说提出了两个问题:如果它是一个行星防御系统,它不是应该有个行星监督委员会,而不仅仅是一个国家的操作吗?
第二,也许更重要的是,它有可能被用作一种武器。随着进入太空的成本越来越低,有能力推动小行星的人在增加。很难想象会有比氢弹更强大的武器,但小行星肯定是一个。

lazyeyepsycho

I mean yeah…But having the ability to knock it into earth and only hit enemy seems mind-boggling far fetched
我觉得吧,是的但是能操纵它撞到地球并且只击中敌人看起来极其牵强

BeardySam

Why would you try to push an asteroid onto your enemy?Do you think that hydrogen bombs aren’t enough?
Hydrogen bombs aren’t used because they’re too powerful to have any real military application.They’re strategic deter rents only.Nobody is looking to make asteroids a weapon,it’d be an expensive and inaccurate planet-killer.
你为什么要把小行星推到你的敌人身上?你认为氢弹还不够吗?
氢弹没有被使用,是因为它们的威力太大,没有任何实际的军事用途。它们只是战略威慑物。没有人想让小行星成为武器,那将是一个昂贵的、不确定的星球杀手。

Phoenixness

Because NOTHING the US has done in space has been inspired by weapons!/s
美国在太空中所做的一切都没有受到研发武器的激励!(狗头)

Iliius

The amount of anti-China twats here is funny.
If the US did it-“hooray the saviors!””the US will never use any new tech as a potential weapon,EVER”you guys are re tarded Also,some people calling for international oversight.Remember why China is doing space stuff alone?Yup,because US tol d everyone to ban China from the space programs.
Also,let’s look at the current reality.US has spacex,which only does rockets as of yet.NASA can’t even build a proper craft,and let alone a new replacement for the ISS.US too busy making weapons on earth edit:and the twats took offense hard.went so political you’d think this was r/politics or something,act like you’re ina democracy,and allow another country to have a different political view.isn’t that the point of democracy?choice?ffsalso.stick to space stuff.”china isn’t removing their debris”wasn’t there a story here a few months ago of them trying to remove debris?and the bots were”this is bad,weapon!hurrdurr”.damned if you do,damned if you don’t,eh?
这里很多反华的蠢材很有意思。
如果是美国做的——”万岁,救世主!”、“美国永远不会使用任何新技术作为潜在的武器,永远不会”,你们是弱智吗。
另外,有些人呼吁要进行国际监督。还记得为什么中国独自在搞太空事业吗?是的,因为美国告诉所有人禁止中国参与太空计划。
另外,让我们看看当前的现实。美国有spacex,到现在为止只做火箭。美国国家航空航天局甚至不能建造一个合适的飞船,更不用说为国际空间站建造新的替代物了。美国正忙着在地球上制造武器呢。
编辑:有些蠢材还很不服气,发言更加政治化,你以为这里是政治板块吗。
还有一些坚持认为中国在太空不干好事,说”中国没有清除他们的碎片”,但是几个月前这里不是发过一个关于他们试图清除碎片的新闻吗?那些反华机器人还是会说:“反正这就是很槽糕,就是武器化!”也就是不管中国做不做都要被骂呗,嗯?

SoundByMe

There’s been anti China posts on the front page of Reddit almost every day for years now.The average Redditor seething a t the mere mention of China is not a surprise at all.
几年来,几乎每天都有反华的帖子出现在Reddit的头版。一般的红迪网友只要一提到中国就会情绪沸腾,所以这一点都不奇怪

mcoombes314

This entire thread is basically going”Oh noes,China could intentionally redirect an asteroid towards earth”while conve niently forgetting that NASA/ESA have similar missions.
Also,LOL at the people who see”world threatening”asteroid and assume that China would redirect it to hit the US.It wo uld still be world threatening,wouldn’t really matter where the impact is.
If you think China has grand world domination plans,then please also realise that they can’t dominate a world which has been hit by a massive asteroid because they,like everyone else,would end up dead.
Also what’s with the”accidentally make it worse”angle.Again,NASA and ESA have similar missions and I saw no such FUD on threads discussing them.Are America and Europe mistake-proof?Or is this just more’hurr durr,China incompetent,West great”?Sure China has a record,but to assume either 100%failure or 100%malice is so”cartoon villain”.
整个帖子的评论基本上都是”哦,不,中国可能故意将小行星转向地球”,同时很方便地忘记了NASA/ESA也在着手进行着类似的任务。
另外,那些看到”威胁世界”的小行星就认为中国会把它偏转到美国去的人,真的很可笑。如果这是对世界的威胁,那么撞击的地方在哪里并不重要。
如果你认为中国有称霸世界的宏伟计划,那么也请意识到他们无法称霸一个被巨大小行星撞击的世界,因为他们和其他所有人一样,最终都会死去。
另外,觉得中国会”意外地使情况变得更糟”的观点是怎么回事。同样,美国国家航空航天局和欧洲航天局也有类似的任务,我在讨论它们的帖子中却没有看到这种错误的假设。美国和欧洲是天然不会出错的吗?还是说这只是更多的“中国不行,西方伟大,的情绪发泄?当然,中国有其记录,但假设100%的失败或100%的恶意是如此刻意地将其”卡通片恶棍”化。

Zabick

One of the most unrealistic parts of Don’t Look Up was just how willing China was in that movie to go along with the US bumbling plans.
《不要抬头》中最不现实的部分之一就是中国在那部电影中是如此愿意配合美国笨拙的计划。

Unobtanium_Alloy

Considering NASA already has the D.A.R.T.mission underway,this looks like China trying to play catch-up.
考虑到NASA已经有D.A.R.T.任务在进行中,这看起来像是中国在试图追赶。

MissionarysDownfall

More likely they are rejecting US primacy.
Still two interceptors with totally different designs is better than one if we really need one.
更有可能的是,他们在拒绝美国获得主导权。
如果我们真的需要这东西的话,两个设计完全不同的拦截器还是比只有一个好。

tropical58

I find the suspicion of Chinese endeavor to learn how to protect the earth from an asteroid strike perplexing.No only co uld this actually be a planet saver,but they want to protect their own nation.If the US were to do this there would only be howls of protest about the rest of the world’s nations not paying for it.Thank you china would probably be more appro priate
我觉得那些对中国人努力学习如何保护地球免受小行星撞击的怀疑令人费解。因为这不仅可以拯救地球,而且也可以保护他们自己的国家。如果美国要这样做,它只会发出抗议世界其他国家都不付钱的豪叫。所以不好意思,中国可能更合适。

craigcraig420

Shouldn’t we be like,working together on this or something?
我们不是更应该一起合作什么的吗?

Daveinatx

As humans,this is precisely where our science should be.
Most of politics is meaningless,color,ethnicity,and orientation are not worth the hatred that some people feel.Rather,we should embrace our differences,as that’s what makes us stronger in the end
作为一个人类,我认为这才是我们的科学应该发挥作用的地方。
大多数政治是没有意义的,肤色、种族和取向不值得一些人感到憎恨。相反,我们应该拥抱我们的差异,因为这正是让我们最终变得更强大的原因。

chillinewman

This is a reason why we need cooperation with all the major space agencies and countries.Not keeping China out.
这就是我们需要与所有主要航天机构和国家合作的原因。不要再把中国挡在门外。

DistortedVoid

So this will be a competitive race between the US and China on who can better defend the earth against space threats?Alr ight,I’m cool with that.
所以这将是美国和中国之间一场看谁能更好地保护地球免受太空威胁的竞争?好吧,我没意见。

Black_RL

What if we put it in a collision route with another civilization?
如果我们把它碰到了撞击另一个文明的路线上怎么办?

mcoombes314

Wewon’t because that would require getting it up to solar escape velocity.Not happening
不会的,因为那需要让它达到太阳逃逸速度。达不到。

Brick Lab

Even though I have plenty of issues with the Chinese government,I feel like they’re probably our best bet of creating th is kind of system prior to there being a deadline of impact from an existential threat asteroid
尽管我对中国有很多意见,但我觉得他们可能是我们在有小行星撞击的生存威胁最后期限之前建立这种系统的最佳选择。

tropicalg8

Well and good.Then why the anti chinese sentiment for doing the same?China is not the enemy unless you make it so.
这不是挺好的嘛。那为什么要反感中国人做同样的事?中国不是敌人,除非你把它当成是敌人。