抱怨中国没有主动邀请美国加入中国空间站?网友:从没见过如此厚颜之徒!

2022.5.1 发布在 世界看中国 栏目

抱怨中国没有主动邀请美国加入中国空间站?网友:从没见过如此厚颜之徒! 世界看中国-第1张
(《美国人想来中国的空间站中国为啥没同意?》——龙乐豪、戚发切院士讲述为什么中国航天人一定要争口气!)
Why can the NASA criticize China for refusing to cooperate with the US?In 2011,the Wolf Amendment banned NASA from eng ging in coordination with China.In 2020,the US denied Chinese scientists to attend the International Astronautical Congr ess.
美国宇航局凭什么批评中国“拒绝与美国合作”?2011年,《沃尔夫修正案》禁止美国宇航局与中国开展合作。2020年,美国又拒绝中国科学家参加国际宇航大会。

网友讨论:

Jeff Foust(译注:美国航天领域垂直杂志《太空新闻》的资深记者)

尼尔森:我们希望与中国人合作,但探戈需要两个人,而中国方面目前并没有表现出任何想要合作的意愿。[但还有个《沃尔夫条款》这件“小事”,他却没有提……]
Nelson:we want cooperation with the Chinese,but it takes two to tango,and nothing forthcoming from the Chinese governm ent about cooperation.[There’s also the little matter of the Wolf Amdt,in the US,which he did not mention…]

Charlie

Haha,sounds like joke of the century
哈哈,听起来像是世纪笑话

伊森Ethan

But China indeed developing quickly recently
但是中国近年来确实发展得很快

小三林

How did you treat us at the beginning,is it old dementia?Wolff is only just worthy.
开始你们是怎么对待我们的,你这是老年痴呆症吗?《沃尔夫条款》太值了。

Xiaodong Lu

Thanks to the Internet,records can be found that Bill Nelson said he supported making the Wolf Amendment permanent when he was answering the questions from Michael Waltz during his testifying to a congressional committee on 23 June 2021.
多亏了有网络,让我们能找到以下记录:2021年6月23日,比尔·尼尔森在国会委员会作证回答迈克尔·瓦尔兹的问题时表示,他支持让《沃尔夫修正案》永久生效。

吴媛媛

What you gonna do?Call the police?I can help you,lol
(中国就不鸟你)你打算怎么办?报警吗?我可以帮你打电话,呵呵

D_宗师

actually I don’t even know how to react about this speech.oh come on Bill…..
其实我都不知道该怎么回应你的这番话。哦,别逗了,比尔…

zkykkkkk

your laws banned yourself from cooperating with China
你们自己的法律禁止你们与中国合作

John Kross

Also,China’s ILRS is not really compatible with US’s increasingly commercial approach.China state-run media have also”warned”about exploitation of lunar resources by US companies.
除了尼尔森说的“没有意愿”之外,中国的国际月球科研站计划与美国日益商业化的航天开发做法并不相容。中国官方媒体也对美国公司开发月球资源发出了“警告”。

火星情报局探员

US’s style of cooperation:when I need you,you must let me in and be the leader;when I don’t need you,Wolf Amdt is y ours Well,play tango needs two,but,who wants to dance with Wolf?
美国式的“合作”:当我需要你的时候,你必须让我进来,让我当老大;当我不需要你的时候,你只能得到一本《沃尔夫条款》好吧,探戈得两个人跳,但是,谁想和沃尔夫跳探戈呢?

LT

US has laws which prohibit space cooperation with China.Now US is complaining about no space cooperation with China.You just can’t make this up
美国有法律禁止与中国开展太空合作。现在美国又在抱怨“没有与中国开展太空合作”。编剧都不敢这么写

DutchSatellites

In fact you can make this up.Just as long as you remember that Nelson is first&foremost a politician.
其实你可以这么编的。只要你记住尼尔森首先是一个政客。

Sam Lam

The NASA administrator meant that he wanted China to be open and transparent about where the rocket fell after the launch,not to ask China to join the U.S.space program.
美国宇航局局长的意思是,他希望中国对火箭发射后残骸坠落的地方保持开放和透明,而不是要求中国加入美国的太空计划。(译注:尼尔森在演讲中抱怨“当他们建立空间站的时候,他们没有储备足够的燃料来控制火箭残骸坠落的位置,感谢上帝,它最终掉进了印度洋。(但是)它也可能会掉在欧洲,它也可能会掉在沙特阿拉伯,它也可能会掉在希腊”)

ip_whataboutism_freak_Z_V

has US been open and transparent to china?NEVER!
美国对中国开放透明了吗?从来没有!

Sam Lam

The thrusters launched by the United States will not fall to other countries.If they fall into the ocean,they will acti vely notify ships of other countries not to enter the range.But China never informs other countries where the thrusters f all.
美国发射的火箭残骸不会落到其他国家的。如果掉进海里,他们也会主动通知其他国家的船只不要进入该海域。但中国从不告诉其他国家残骸会掉在哪里。

ip_whataboutism_freak_Z_V

did america ever informed china about its space debris?never!
in many interviews with chinese scientists,they implied that cooperating with american space scientists were always inte rfered by american politicians.china let amerian scientists see china’s facilities and discussed what china is doing,but no returns,with legal excuses.
美国什么时候通知过中国关于它的太空垃圾的信息?从来没有!
在许多对中国科学家的采访中,他们暗示,与美国太空科学家的合作总是受到美国政客的干涉。中国允许美国科学家参观中国的设施,讨论中国正在做的事情,但没有回报,还找一堆法律借口。

Pilot Beacon

i think what NASA is trying to say is that China does not want to simply do as they’re told.america has lacked the abili ty to understand that Life does not work this way,since the first british incest children ventured to american soil.
我认为美国航天局局长想说的是,中国不想简单地按照他们被告知的去做。自从第一批英国乱伦儿童冒险来到美国,美国人就一直缺乏理解生活并非如此的能力。

MzoGows6vwHj28Q

Bill seems to have forgotten that he supported the Wolf provision as permanent law to years ago.Why are there so many Al zheimer’s patients in government?
比尔似乎忘记了他在10年前曾支持把《沃尔夫条款》作为一项永久性法律。为什么政府里会有这么多老年痴呆症患者呢?

iamLLLLLLeo

The U.S.have restricted Chinese space program for decades.Now you are unhappy?
几十年来,美国一直限制中国的太空计划。现在你不高兴了?

卤印良品

First cancel the Wolf Amdt and then talk about cooperation.Besides,we have been asking for cooperation before,has the American government given us a chance?
Now that we have developed,you have the cheek to say that we don’t want to cooperate?Let’s figure out who’s messing wit h the middle!
There’s no denying that NASA is the best space agency in the world,but that doesn’t mean that we can’t compete with them just wait and see.
先把沃尔夫条款给取消了再谈合作。再说了我们之前一直要求合作,美国政府给机会了吗?现在我们发展起来了,你们居然不要脸的说是我们不想合作。先搞清楚是谁在中间揭乱吧!
不可否认美国宇航局是世界上最棒的航天机构,但是不代表我们没有能力与他们平起平坐,等着瞧吧。

Alan Ladwig

Good grief,when Wolf was in office he wouldn’t allow NASA to utter the word”China”or have discussions with them.No wit’s surprising that they haven’t reached out to us?
天哪,沃尔夫在任时,他都不允许美国宇航局提到“中国”这个词,也不允许与他们讨论。现在:太不可思议了,他们居然还没有主动找我们?

ryan

Exactly!I am surprised to see this!
是的!看到这个我也感觉不可思议!

leefengder

Wolf act seems to be the law of the United States,since China has completed all manned space missions,why would they co operate with the United States,why would the Chinese choose a greedy Wolf instead of a beautiful woman to tango?
《沃尔夫条款》似乎已经成了美国的一条法律,既然中国已经完成了所有的载人航天任务,为什么还要去和美国合作呢,为什么中国人会去找一只贪梦的狼(wolf)而不是一位美女跳探戈呢?

银月

In our country,your symptom is called schizophrenia
在我们国家,尼尔森你这个症状叫“精神分裂症”

William Chow

Yes,your assessment is spot on.How can NASA complain about the lack of cooperation when there is special legislation pa ssed by Congress to prohibit any cooperation and even official contact with the Chinese?It is a totally illogical and mis leading statement.
是的,你说得没错。美国国会通过了特别立法,禁止与中国进行任何合作,甚至官方接触,美国宇航局怎么能抱怨“缺乏合作”
呢?这是完全不合逻辑和误导的说法。

fay

The Wolf Amdt is totally racism that echoes the current anti-asian atmosphere here
《沃尔夫条款》完全就是种族主义,呼应了这里当前的反亚商氛围。

Ethan

Recent years,Chinese have made lots of achievements under the technical restrictions of US.However in China,we always uphold the FAIR cooperation!
近年来,中国在美国的科技限制下依然取得了许多成就。但在中国,我们始终支持开展公平合作!

consensyx

You can’t be any more shameless.You,the US,made the Wolf Amendment that prohibits NASA from cooperating with China,a d now you say you want to cooperate with China,but China didn’t agree?go to hell
你们已经无耻得不能再无耻了。你们,美国,制定了禁止美国宇航局与中国合作的《沃尔夫条款》,现在你们又说你们想与中国合作,但中国不同意?有多远滚多远

epr_sci

China is cooperating with every willing party,ESA,Russia,Brazil,Venezuela,Pakistan,just to say a few.US always has a choice to work with China,before Wolf Amdt,now,and in the future.I would say sooner is better than later.
中国正在与每一个愿意开展合作的国家合作,欧空局、俄罗斯、巴西、委内瑞拉、巴基斯坦等等。在《沃尔夫条款》之前,还是现在,还是将来,美国总是可以选择与中国合作。我觉得早比晚好。

Dalin_Zhong

One guy unplugged his phone line,turned around and blamed others for not calling him.
一个人自己拔掉了电话线,却转身指责别人没有给他打电话。

阿道司

You’ll never wake someone who pretends to sleep(like Nelson).
你永远不会叫醒一个假装睡觉的人(比如尼尔森)

shikongguanliji

Do you know the Wolf Act you put forward yourself?The development of China’s space industry in the past 1o years has been achieved under the blockade of the United States.
你知道你们自己提出的《沃尔夫条款》吗?中国航天事业在过去10年的发展是在美国的封锁下实现的。

Diz

it is called sarcasm
这就是讽刺

Sam Lam

I suggest that you repost the entire interview in its entirety.The NASA administrator doesn’t want China to join the US space program at all.What he means is that China randomly dumps rocket thrusters,and no one knows which country the thru sters will drop.
我建议你把整个采访全部转发。美国宇航局局长根本不希望中国加入美国的太空计划。他的意思是,中国随意丢弃火箭推进器,没有人知道推进器会落在哪个国家。

Hakka Son of FuManchu

The only reason they want cooperation is so that they can find out what advances China has made.It’s a ploy.It’s the sa me ploy they used with the USSR
他们现在想要合作的唯一原因是他们可以借此了解中国取得了什么进展。这是一种策略。这和他们当年对苏联使用的策略是一样的

Tamara Klomp

I think people forget that prior to the iss becoming the iss it was a Russian station,other countries including the US w ere given the opportunity to add their own modules.the Russian part of the station went up in about 1989 the US etc joined after 1998
我认为人们忘记了,在国际空间站成为国际空间站之前,它是一个俄罗斯空间站,包括美国在内的其他国家都有机会添加自己的模块。俄罗斯的部分在1989年建成,美国等国在1998年后加入了

etyu

I’m sure it’s pretty transparent.In Chinese.
Learn Chinese first and maybe it will suddenly be transparent to you.
我相信这是非常透明的。以中文来看的话。
首先去学习中文,也许它就会突然对你透明起来了。

Tsaivi.5 PhD

Funny how U.S.thought China needed them to advance back then but came to realize China doesn’t need them at all.
搞笑的是,美国当时认为中国需要他们来取得进步的,但后来却意识到中国根本不需要他们。

Malaysian w/Hakka characteristics

Same thing gonna repeat with 6G and semiconductors-these yanks are nothing but a bunch of whiners
同样的一幕会在6G和半导体上重复上演——这些扬基佬只是一群抱怨者

Thaddeus Carpenter

Partially true.At the time China did need the US.But when they were kicked to the kerb they suddenly gained motivation to do better and to surpass.If the US had not done so China would still be needing the US.Hopefully future China does no trepeat the US mistake,elsewhere.
部分正确。当时中国确实需要美国。但当他们被踢到路边时,他们突然获得了要做得更好的和超越对手的动力。如果美国当初没有排斥中国,那么今天中国仍然会需要美国。希望未来中国不要在其他地方重复美国的错误。

Liam

my first instinct with anyone saying China isn’t being transparent is just not to believe them.right after the WHO prais.ed China’s openness and cooperation as world class,western media began accusing China of hiding information and not being transparent
当有人说中国不透明时,我的第一反应就是不相信他们。在世卫组织称赞中国的开放和合作是世界级的之后,西方媒体就开始指责中国“隐瞒信息”和“不透明”了

EdwardHeisler

What in the world is NASA Administrator Nelson talking about?China refuses to cooperate with NASA in space exploration??!!I find it hard to believe that Nelson is unaware that under U.S.law NASA is prohibited from working with the Chinese g overnment and China’s National Space Administration.Under this law Chinese astronauts are prohibited from even visitingt he International Space Station!
美国宇航局局长尼尔森到底在扯啥?说中国拒绝与美国宇航局合作太空探索??!我很难相信尼尔森不知道,根据美国自己的法律,美国宇航局被禁止与中国政府和中国国家航天局合作。根据这项法律,中国宇航员甚至被禁止访问国际空间站!

Yes.It’s Me.

China,it’s time to show them your middle finger.
中国,是时候向他们竖起中指了。

SuspiciousStableg649

I think two independent space programs is great.The only coordination needed that I see is making sure things don’t run into earth other.
我认为有两套独立的太空计划是很棒的。在我看来,唯一需要协调的就是确保残骸不会撞到地球上的其他东西。

Risu Hadi

I am sure the raw unadulterated power of diversity will make in impossible for China and Russia to even remotely challeng e US space dominance.
我敢肯定,原始而纯粹的多样性力量将使中国和俄罗斯不可能挑战美国的太空主导地位,甚至达不到望其项背的水平。

sensi23

The NASA whining about an alleged’unwillingness to cooperate’from the other side while it is barred by its own gov-bip artisantly hostile-to cooperate with them:that’s the level of hypocrisy&projection the US are peddling nowadays.
美国宇航局抱怨对方所谓的“不愿合作”,而它却被自己的政府——两党敌对的政府——禁止与中国开展合作:这就是美国现在兜售的虚伪和甩锅的水平。

Yevgeniy Leto

As far as I know,NASA never criticizes China,but congratulates China on every one of their achievements,the Moon landi ng and the Mars landing.It is one American gov institution that is not hostile to China.
All those laws are passed by politicians.
据我所知,美国宇航局从来没有批评过中国,而是祝贺中国的每一项成就,登月和登陆火星。这是一个不敌视中国的美国政府机构。(译注:与事实有出入)
你说的所有这些法律都是政客们通过的,与美国宇航局无关。

CNSpaceflight

CNSA posted a cartoon in response to Nelson’s recent talking point and a question:”you’ve been in position for one year.Don’t you know the Wolf amendment?”Of course,he knows.But he’s a politician at first.
中国国家航天局发布了一幅漫画来回应尼尔森最近的话题并提出一个问题:“你已经在这个位置上呆了一年了。难道你不知道《沃尔夫条款》吗?”尼尔森当然知道。但他首先是个政客。

Alvin Lee

Now the world finally believe US is a hypocrite.
But whatever US trying to block China,China rise at a much faster pace.
Just to name one or two
Blocking Huawei’s iphone progress is real,blocking China getting IC’s is real,Forcing US allies to block China’s 5G is definitely real,blocking China’s Comac C919 jets approval is real.
现在世界终于相信美国是个伪君子了。
但无论美国怎么努力遏制中国,中国的崛起速度都快得多。
举一两个例子:阻止华为的手机发展是真实的,阻止中国获得芯片是真实的,逼迫美国盟友阻止中国的5G肯定是真实的,阻止中国商飞C919飞机的批准也是真实的。

Pher Kimhuat

After dominating the world for centuries both militarily and economically,it’s just the US which is full of denial to a ccept the rise of China to use whatever available dirty political plots to smear/antagonise and contain China includingnot to cooperate with China in space exploration and even have the cheek to use US-led NASA to criticise China and deniedChinese scientists to attend the International Astronautical Congress.It clearly reflects the hypocrisy,double standard and ugly side of the US.
在统治了世界几个世纪的军事和经济之后,就是美国拒绝接受中国的崛起,并使用任何航脏的政治阴谋来诽谤/对抗并過制中国,包括不与中国在太空探索方面合作,甚至厚颜无耻地利用美国政府领导的美国航天局来指责中国,并阻止中国科学家参加国际宇航大会。这充分反映了美国虚伪、双重标准和丑恶的一面。

yuegangaodawan1

最佩服丑国人的一点是,他们不要脸时从来都那么自然不做作,一切都那么清新脱俗

KokHin Lim

US will learn one day.
Not now,its head is too big now to learn from Iraq,Afghanistan or Vietnam.
US ban China from its space station and China build a bigger better and more efficient one.
US threathen to cut of GPS from China build Beidou,bigger better,higher resolution and cheaper,today more nations use Beidou than GPS.
US threathen to stop semiconductor chips from reaching China,it cost US a double digit inflation and shortages for its i ndustry.
US tried to contain China for the last half a century,China out grow US and now it’s people’s life expectancy is higher than US.
US tried to impoverished China,in the last 45 years China grew 35 times while US stop growing it’s real income since 196
O…!
When will your country learn?
美国总有一天会吸取教训的。
但不是现在,现在它的脑袋太大了,无法从伊拉克、阿富汗或越南吸取教训。美国禁止中国进入空间站,于是中国建造了一个更大、更好、更高效的空间站。
美国威助要切断中国的GPS,于是中国建造北斗,更大更好,分辨率更高,更便宜,今天更多的国家使用北斗而不是GPS。
美国威胁阻止半导体芯片进入中国,导致美国自己出现了两位数的通胀,美国自己的半导体行业出现了短缺。在过去的半个世纪里,美国一直在试图遏制中国,但中国超越了美国,今天中国人的预期寿命比美国还高。
美国试图让中国贫困,但在过去的45年里,中国经济增长了35倍,而美国自1960年以来其实际收入就停止增长了!
你的国家何时才会吸取教训?

DrANZAC Spartan

In a strange sort of way,the USA did China a favour by banning it from the ISS.China was forced to go it alone and now have built their own futuristic,ultramodern Space Station.EU Countries have already signed up to work in China’s TianGong Space Station.Call this Karma.In addition to forcing China to go alone,China has had other Space spin off’s such as L anding on the Far Side of the Moon(no other country has achieved this),setting up its own Satellite Network,and having an Orbiter,Lander and a Rover on Mars.
美国以一种奇怪的方式帮了中国一个忙——禁止中国进入国际空间站。于是中国被迫单干,现在已经建造了自己的未来主义的超现代化的空间站。欧盟国家已经签署了在中国天宫空间站工作的协议。这就叫因果报应。除了逼迫中国单干,中国还完成了其他太空项目,比如登陆月球背面(没有其他国家做到过),建立了自己的卫星网络,拥有了轨道飞行器、着陆器和火星探测器。

TAIPIZZALORD

Exactly this just increases China’s soft power.
这恰恰增强了中国的软实力。

Albert Chu

China have the technology,skills and expertise to make their own space station and definitely not hard up of US ISS at a II.China now are progressing very well in all their space projects and give time,they will be even be better than it com petitors.China have the funds and its scientists to move forward and the best they have ample of time to do it.
中国有技术、技能和专业知识来建造自己的空间站,绝对不输美国的空间站。中国现在在所有太空项目上都进展得很好,假以时日,他们甚至会比竞争对手更好。中国有资金和科学家向前发展,他们有充足的时间来做这件事。

simone yahoo

In a strategic sense,nation usually want their own independent capability to launch their own space station.US making a decision to ban China is actually beneficial for the Communist Party to use as an excuse to promote and develop in cover of nationalism.In fact China joining the ISS will delay their independent progress and crreate”dependency”and tied upt o in various contract and obligation and delay their own progress.If China join the ISS,I think China current stage of development will be delayed by 1 or 2 decade as too much interference into their space developement,it will break their scientific community that will then debate whether to co-operate,share,open and even monitor by US…..it’s actually a luc ky decision that gives China a break from the obligation…look at Japan,Japan space ambition are stuck now….due inv olvement in ISS….ISS is used by US as a rope to tie and monitor progress of their competitors
从战略意义上讲,一个国家通常希望拥有独立的发射自己空间站的能力。美国做出禁止中国的决定,实际上有利于中国政府利用这个借口,在民族主义的旗号下进步和发展。事实上,如果当初中国获准加入国际空间站,将推迟他们的独立进步,并产生“依赖性”,被各种合同和义务束缚,推迟自己的进步。如果中国加入国际空间站,我认为中国目前的发展阶段将被推迟10到20年,因为他们的太空发展会受到太多干涉,这将破坏他们的科学界,然后他们将讨论是与美国合作、共享、开放甚至被美国监控…
所以不让中国加入国际空间站实际上是一个幸运的决定,让中国摆脱了这些条条框框……看看日本吧,日本的太空雄心现在停滞了……因为参与了国际空间站……国际空间站被美国用作一根绳子,用来绑住和监控竞争对手的进展

Fotoschiki

If you want the school kids analogy,things would be like this:
Russia and the USA are like the captains of the two most popular sports clubs in school.They don’t like nor trust each other,but they have known each other well enough to have mutual respect.They have established a rivalry on equal grounds and now they work together on things for equal benefits on some levels like the ISS,while competing indipendently on othe rs like military and political influence.
China is the weird transfer student that doesn’t want to join either team as a member,but as a leader,so it sets up it’sown club.Russia plays with China to get a lead on the US on the levels of competition,but they don’t trust China either
China made clear that they are not interested in cooperations with both sides benefiting equaly(which is what the US andRussia worked out after decades of competition),China want’s to be the most profiting everywhere at any time with no reg ards for the other side and the problem is they have the power to do it,that’s why almost nobody want’s to play with them
Russia and the US have worked out a relationship of two poles competing for the upper hand.China wants to be a total mon opole.
Fotoschiki
如果你想用学校孩子来打比方,事情会是这样的:
俄罗斯和美国就像学校里两个最受欢迎的体育兴趣组组长。他们既不喜欢对方,也不信任对方,但他们已经足够了解对方了,相互尊重。他们在平等的基础上建立了竞争关系,现在他们在诸如国际空间站一些航天领域为平等利益而开展合作,而在军事政治影响力等其他层面上则独立竞争。
但中国是一个奇怪的转校生,他不想加入任何一个团队,而是想当老大,所以他建立了自己的兴趣小组。俄罗斯与中国合作,希望在竞争水平上领先于美国,但他们也不信任中国。
中国已经明确表示了,他们对双方平等受益的合作不感兴趣(而这种合作正是美国和俄罗斯经过几十年的竞争得出的结果),中国想在任何时候任何地方成为最大的赢家,而不考虑对方,但问题在于他们确实也有能力单干,所以这就是为什么几乎没有人想和他们一起玩。
俄罗斯和美国形成的是一种“两极争夺上风”的关系。而中国想要成为垄断者。

amos325

Bullshit!!it is US who banned China from space projects like ISS not the other way around.furthermore,china is not at ransfer students rather the leader in the class who has left temporarily for the last 1.5 century
你放P!!是美国禁止中国参加国际空间站之类的太空合作的,而不是反过来。此外,中国不是一个“转校生”,而是一个暂时离开了一个半世纪的班级第一名

Fotoschiki

I disagree.Yes the US banned China from the ISS,but for good reasons.China has only been a global super power for a fe w decades and that only because of it’s incredible economical power,not because of political,social or scientific advanc ement.
It’s the same with Brasil,they are pretty new in the higher ranks of global powers too,but they made it to the ISS.Why?Because they sent their scientists to help with international progression,not to steal information and use them for the ir own.
Btw.China has never before been a global power,because more than 100 years ago global powers didn’t exist the way they do now.Brittain,France and Spain(maybe the Netherlands)were the first big ones in colonial times.Spain and the Netherlands didn’t last and in the two world wars when Germany rose up to power,only in europe,not globaly,Brittain and France lost a lot of the influence they had left aswell.After the wars the US and R ussia became the two global powers,Chinaj ust recently joined.
They were powerful for centuries yes,but only in east asia,never globaly until now.
It’s not bullshit by the way,I’m not trying to convince you,as if that was a thing on the internet.These are obviously just my thoughts on the matter.You can disagree you know,it’s not like I claim the truth for myself.
我不同意这种说法。没错,当初是美国禁止中国进入国际空间站的,但理由很充分。中国成为全球超级大国的时间不过才几十年,而且这还只是因为它令人难以置信的经济实力,而不是因为政治、社会或科学的进步。
巴西也是一样,他们也是高层次全球大国排行榜中的新人,但他们成功进入了国际空间站。为什么?因为他们是把自己的科学家派去帮助推动国际进步,而不是窃取信息用于自己的目的。
顺便说一句。中国以前从来没有成为过一个全球强国,因为100多年前,全球强国不像现在这样存在的。英国、法国和西班牙(也许还有荷兰)才是殖民时期的第一批列强。西班牙和荷兰并没有持续多久,在两次世界大战中,当德国幅起成为强国(只是欧洲强国,不是全球强国)时,英国和法国也失去了它们祖上留下的很多影响力。战后,美国和俄罗斯成为了两个全球大国,中国只是最近才加入的。
他们曾经强大了几个世纪,但只是在东亚,直到现在才开始全球化。
顺便说一下,这不是“放P”,我不是想说服你,就像这只是网上的留言。这些显然只是我对这件事的看法。你可以不同意,我并不是在为自己讲述真理。

amos325

yes China was dominating only in Asia but not because they can’t but because they are just not expansionist in their bloo d unlike the colonial powers in the West.banning China from ISS was not due scientific reasons but ideology and fundamental racism against nonwhites.in 199os,China already had nukes and shot it’s own rocket and satellites,this is more advan ced than many ISS participants even now.
没错,中国只在亚洲占主导地位,但不是因为他们不能,而是因为他们的血液里没有扩张主义,不像西方的殖民列强。禁止中国进入国际空间站不是出于科学原因,而是意识形态和对非白人的根本性种族主义。在1990年代,中国已经有了核武器,发射了自己的火箭和卫星,这比当时许多国际空间站的参与者更先进。

hon liong

I believe that there there is another layer of complexity other than political system.Russia is a communist country,andis equally,if not more capable than China in terms of cyber activities.It is to do with race.White Anglo don’t tolerat e Asians to be as capable as they are.The Anglo wanted to retain its dominance.While Russians are not Anglo,they are wh ite,well,almost.
Wishing someone to not to progress in order to retain your#1 spot is most silly.That is what America had been doing.Wh ile the country is fighting endless wars without,wars are brewing from within,culminating in the 6 th Jan 2021 event.If you can’t govern yourself,don’t expect to govern others.
我相信,除了政治体制,还有另一层复杂性。苏俄是一个共产主义国家,在网络活动方面,即使不比中国更有能力,也不亚于中国。这与种族有关。白种盘格鲁人不能容忍亚洲人的能力。盘格鲁人想要保持自己的统治地位。虽然俄罗斯人不是盎格鲁人,但他们也几乎是白人。
希望别人不要为了保住你的第一名而进步是非常愚蠢的。这就是美国一直在做的事情。这个国家的外部在打无休止的战争,内部却在配酿着战争,最终在2021年1月6日爆发了。如果你不能治理自己,就不要指望去治理别人。

Bill Smith

Interesting claim that the US denied China scientists attending the 2020 International Astronautical Congress.
Below is from the congress website describing a”highlight lecture”to be given at that event,a virtual event.Accordi ng to you the US denied Chinese scientists attending a virtual event that had a keynote talk from a Chinese scientist!
Can your claim be viewed as anything other than anti-US propaganda?
“The IAF World Space Award Highlight Lecture will feature Dr.Yu Dengyun,the Deputy Designer-in-Chief of China’s Lunar Exploration Program and one of the Chang’e 4 Mission Leaders.Dr.Yu Dengyun will talk about the successful Chang’e-4 mi ssion and their achievement to soft land on the far side of the moon for the first time in history of humankind and succes sfully sustain relay communication between the far side of the moon and the Earth.”
IAF:IAF World Space Award-The Chang’e 4 Mission And for your elucidation the Wolf Amendment does not ban NASA from engaging with Chinese scien tists,they did that as par tof the Chang’e 4 mission that was the subject of the talk I cited.
宣称“美国拒绝中国科学家参加2020年国际宇航大会”是一种很滑稽的说法。
以下是来自大会网站的信息,描述了将在该活动上进行的“重点演讲”,这是一场在线活动。根据你的说法,美国拒绝了中国科学家参加一个有中国科学家做主题演讲的虚拟在线活动!
除了反美宣传,你还能说点别的吗?
“国际宇航大会世界太空奖重点演讲将由中国探月计划副总设计师、嫦娥四号任务负责人之一于登云博士主讲。于登云博士将介绍成功的嫦娥四号任务,以及他们在人类历史上首次实现月球背面软着陆的成就,以及成功维持月球背面与地球之间的中继通信”
——国际宇航大会世界太空奖——娥四号任务(译注:链接)
顺便说明一下,《沃尔夫条款》并没有禁止美国宇航局与中国科学家接触,他们在嫦娥四号部分任务中已经接触了,这也是我刚才提到的演讲的主题。

Lynn

Dr.Yu Dengyun and his colleagues,their visas were denied.#Chinese Foreign Ministry confirms China’s absence from IAF C ongress due to visas#Chinese Foreign Ministry:Indeed,the reason for the absence of the Chinese delegation is the failur eof the US side to issue visas in a timely manner.
China hits out at US after delegates miss major space conference
于登云博士和他的同事们的签证被拒签了。中国外交部证实,中国由于签证问题缺席国际宇航大会。中国外交部:的确,中国代表团缺席的原因是美方没有及时发放签证。
中国在代表错过重大太空会议后猛烈押击美国(译注:报道链接)

Jason Shearin

“in 2020,the US denied Chinese scientists to attend the International Astronautical Congress”
Prove it.
“2020年,美国又拒绝中国科学家参加国际字航大会”
请拿出证据。

Aozao Zhou

The United States refused Chinese scientists to participate in the International Astronautical Congress (IAC) in October 2019. Or, not just in 2019.
From October 21 to 25, 2019, the yoth International Astronautical Congress (IAC) was held in Washington, D.C. At the opening of the conference, almost the entire Chinese team was blocked outside the conference by the US side on the grounds of”visa”
According to the official agenda of the conference, Wu Yanhua, deputy director of China’s National Space Administration, should have participated in the group meeting and delivered a speech at the Washington Convention Center on October 21. However, at the opening of the conference, the Chinese aerospace delegation was not seen for a long time. Through mobile phone voting, 1000 spectators chose the question they most wanted to ask at the meeting: “where is China (National Space Admi nistration)
At that time, the host’s response was that the head of the China Space Administration failed to attend the meeting as sch eduled because of the “time conflict”.
According to CCTV news, the real reason for the collective absence of the Chinese delegation from this year’s IAF conference is that the visa for the head of the Chinese delegation to the United States has not been issued. In July 2019, three months before the meeting, China submitted the preliminary list of participants to the United States. The delegation of the Chinese National Space Administration went to the U.S. Embassy in China for face-to-face signing on October 12. However, until the day of the meeting, the head of the Chinese delegation did not obtain a U.S. visa, resulting in the ina bility o f the Chinese delegation to participate in important activities such as the opening ceremony and the director’s forum. He is currently the vice chairman of the International Astronautical Federation, the deputy general manager of China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation, a member of the election committee of the International Astronautical Federation and the Secretary General of the Chinese Academy of Astronautics, and a number of other personnel have not obtained a US visa.
In addition, according to Xinhua news agency, among the Chinese enterprises participating in the conference, one domesti c enterprise did not obtain a visa to the United States, and only one person in another enterprise was signed This happened in 2018. In July of that year, the Chinese delegation also missed the branch venue of its own leading proje ct-“Zhang heng-1″at the 42nd world space science conference held in California, USA, because of the visa problem.
In 2017, academician Qi Faren said in an interview: when our “921”(project) started, Yuan Jiajun and I didn’t give visasto go to the United States. Yuan Jiajun, vice president of the International Astronautical Federation, was going to atten d the meeting in the United States. He didn’t sign his visa until the meeting was over.
美国阻止中国科学家参加国际宇航大会的时间是2019年10月。或者,不仅仅是在2019年阻止了。
2019年10月21日至25日,第70届国际宇航大会在美国华盛顿举行。大会开幕时,美方以“签证问题”为由,几乎将整个中国团队挡在了会场外。
根据会议的正式议程,中国国家航天局副局长吴艳华本应参加10月21日在华盛顿会议中心举行的小组会议并发表讲话。然而,在大会开幕式上,中国航天代表团很长时间没有露面。通过现场手机投票,1000名观众投片选出了会议上最想问的问题:”中国(国家航天局)在哪里?”
当时,主持人的回答是,中国航天局局长因“时间冲突”未能如期出席会议。
据央视新闻报道,中国代表团集体缺席今年国际宇航大会的真正原因是,中国代表团团长赴美签证尚未发放。早在会议前三个月的2019年7月,中国就向美国提交了初步参会名单。10月12日,中国国家航天局代表团赴美国驻华大使馆进行了面对面签字。
但是,直到会议当天,中国代表团团长还是没有获得美国签证,导致中国代表团无法参加开幕式和导演论坛等重要活动。他当时是国际宇航联合会副主席、中国航天科技集团副总经理、国际宇航联合会选举委员会成员和中国宇航科学院秘书长。还有一些人员没有获得美国签证。此外,据新华社报道,参加会议的中国企业中,有一家国内企业没有拿到赴美签证,另一家企业只有一人,拿到了签证。
这种事在2018年也发生过。那年7月,在美国加利福尼亚州举行的第42届世界空间科学大会上,中国代表团也因为签证问题错过了自己的主导项目“张衡一号”的分会场会议。
2017年,戚发切院士在接受采访时表示:我们”921”项目启动时,美国没有给我和袁家军发放赴美签证。袁家军是国际宇航联合会副主席,当时正准备参加在美国举行的会议。可直到会议结束后他才拿到了签证。

wdc527

Us:We’re having a party in space,Guess who we didn’t invite?
China:OK,I’ll have the party myself.
美国:我们要在太空上开派对,猜猜我们没有邀请谁?
中国:OK,我自己开派对。

SleeplessBKK

The only country kicked out of ISS is China because even Russia don’t want to be copied.lol
唯一被踢出国际空间站的国家就是中国,因为连俄罗斯都不想被a,呵呵

What a frog…..The size of your brain is the size of the frogs penis…
好一只井蛙……你脑子只有青蛙的生殖器那么大

Panda Bear

then?China already have own space station even Russia head roscosmos develops cooperation with china and pursue dialoguesample moon.now many countries ask china to join china space station,why u seems sour grape?this only hurt urself beca use ur insults didn’t work
然后呢?中国已经有了自己的空间站,甚至俄罗斯航天局也在与中国发展合作,寻求对话和月球样本。现在许多国家请求加入中国空间站。为什么你看起来这么酸葡萄?这只会伤害到你自己,因为你的侮辱不起作用

Bad China Takes

I should clarify that the law actually bans NASA from engaging with any cooperation with the Chinese government or China-affiliated entities.Not just the ISS.
In other words,China is forbidden by law to cooperate with NASA,which is exactly what they are now complaining about
我应该澄清的是,法律实际上禁止美国航天局与中国政府或中国关联实体开展任何合作。不仅仅是国际空间站。
换句话说,美国法律禁止中国与美国航天局合作,而这正是他们现在抱怨的

joyanne from the north

For the record,China is not banned from showing their admiration to NASA and sharing their information,why don’t they?
郑重声明:可是中国并没有被禁止主动表达他们对美国航天局的赞赏并分享他们的信息啊,他们为什么不呢?

Oblomov

For the record,you are not banned from showing your admiration for us and sharing your bank account details.Why don’t y ou?
郑重声明:你并没有被禁止主动表达你对我们的赞赏并分享你的银行账户信息啊,你为什么不呢?

ninibea28118970

What happened after the proposal?Arrested our sciensts for violatingAmerican law?The Wolff clause was setby US.It prohibits any space cooperationbetween the United States andChina.Nowit is shamelessly claimingChina.Whatan unimaginable thinki gmode….
就算主动表达了合作意愿,然后呢?因为违反了美国法律而逮捕我们的科学家吗?《沃尔夫条款》是由美国制定的。它禁止美国和中国之间的任何太空合作。现在却又无耻地指责中国(不肯合作)。多么不可思议的思维模式

Pibaez156

US:Kicks China out of ISS
China launched its own Space Station
US:China where is your transparency,you should be working with us
美国:把中国踢出国际空间站
于是中国发射了自己的空间站
美国:中国,你的透明度在哪里,你应该主动和我们合作

Anan

this is ridiculous how the American way of thinking works…I can hurt you and destroy you all day long but we can still be friends if I need you…
美国人的思维方式太荒谬了——我可以整天伤害你,破坏你,但如果我需要你了,我们仍然可以做朋友

SinAlbert CK WONG

it was a good thing when US did that.That policy challenged China.It is natural for a up and coming nation to prove tha tit has the desire,capacity and resources to explore and exploit cosmos treasures.Furthermore,it forces China to look ahead into the reason behind its exclusion.The reason is just plain and simple.On the other if China were allowed to US NASA program,it would have to abide by regulational dictates and limitations set by the US.From without and own development,China can decide how,what,where and who could share the benefit of its space exploration,technological development sand applications.
其实美国这么干是件好事。这一政策挑战了中国。一个有前途的国家自然会证明自己有探索和开发宇宙宝藏的意愿、能力和资源。此外,它逼着中国向前看,探究其被排除在外的原因。而原因很简单。而另一方面,如果中国被允许参与美国的航天项目,它将不得不遵守美国设定的规则和限制。由于不用遵守这些并自主发展,中国可以自主决定怎么干、干什么、在哪干,以及和谁分享其太空探索、技术发展和应用的利益。

IceCake minus g

Does NASA read Mandarin Chinese?No?Well,u have to wait in line.
美国宇航局能看懂简体中文吗?看不懂?好吧,后边排队去。